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Old 10-27-2013, 09:18 PM
 
Location: texas
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If I recall correctly, Germany made dispalying swastickas ILLEGAL. Punishable by 3 years in jail. You are correct-we should mirror their laws with our most offensive symbol-the Confederate flag.
I dont want any laws banning the flag outright. That is Unconsitutional. In the case of the student, and others, banning it in some circumstances is lawful.

Think of it this way, if you took a desk flag[ that some may find offesive] to work and placed it on your desk...does you employer have the right to ask you remove it or be fired?

If you work for a flag company that makes all kinds of flags, do you have the right as an employee to claim a hostile working place because the company makes replica NAZI flags?

These question are rhetorical.
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Old 10-27-2013, 09:23 PM
 
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If I recall correctly, Germany made dispalying swastickas ILLEGAL. Punishable by 3 years in jail. You are correct-we should mirror their laws with our most offensive symbol-the Confederate flag.
Yes, but Germany never had freedom of speech in their constitution.
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Old 10-27-2013, 09:28 PM
 
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A University of Rochester student is accusing the college of violating his First Amendment rights after a residence hall adviser reportedly forced him to remove a Confederate flag from his dorm room window over the “discomfort" it was causing.

Matthew Papay, a 19-year-old sophomore from Weaverville, N.C., says the flag was hanging in the window of his residence hall on campus in early October when graduate house adviser Catherine Christian told him to remove it, the Rochester Democrat & Chronicle reports.

Student says New York university forced him to remove Confederate flag | Fox News
They had every right to do so since it is their property and can choose what to display to the outside world.

Imagine how the image looks to a black student?

NOT a first amendment issue at all.
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Old 10-27-2013, 09:29 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Yes, but Germany never had freedom of speech in their constitution.

Dozens of other nations did the same, Poland allows 8 year prison terms.

Good for them.
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Old 10-27-2013, 09:30 PM
 
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If I recall correctly, Germany made dispalying swastickas ILLEGAL. Punishable by 3 years in jail. You are correct-we should mirror their laws with our most offensive symbol-the Confederate flag.
What other symbols do you find offensive to the point of imprisonment?

Remember....consider the constitution.
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Old 10-27-2013, 09:33 PM
 
Location: NJ
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What other symbols do you find offensive to the point of imprisonment?

Remember....consider the constitution.
NONE. The Confederates attempted to overthrow our legal government. They should have been treated like any other enemy combatant. Not as ex or present US citizens.
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Old 10-27-2013, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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According to the article, the kid was free to hang the flag on a wall in his room. If he sees it as Southern Pride, I think that should have been a satisfactory compromise. Showing pride is one thing. Courting bad feelings is completely another. He didn't have to hang the flag in his window to get the point across.

New York lost a lot of men in the Civil War. The slaver issue is one thing, but there is also some lingering hard feelings over the blood that was shed on both sides, not just the south. Families who lost all their sons aren't going to forget that for generations to come.
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Old 10-27-2013, 09:45 PM
 
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That doesn't necessarily violate his rights. It was being displayed from a window in the dorms, which the university owns. They have every right to tell someone to take something down if it could be viewed as offensive.
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Old 10-27-2013, 09:47 PM
 
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Dozens of other nations did the same, Poland allows 8 year prison terms.

Good for them.
You'll never sell me on this idea. Freedom of speech was granted in the very first amendment to the Constitution. I'd say it was pretty important to the framers.
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Old 10-27-2013, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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No, they did not secede because they wanted to own slaves, they seceded because they felt the federal government was treading on their sovereignty.

Harrier thinks that they were wrong and would have supported the Union had he lived during that period, but we need to be historically accurate in order to have an honest discussion.

The Confederate flag has been sullied because of the Civil War, but that does not give anyone the right to prevent another from exercising free speech by displaying it, just because they are offended.
They secceeded because their sovereignty depended on slavery to survive economically as a region.
The two are completely intertwined.
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