Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 01-02-2014, 08:00 AM
 
79,913 posts, read 44,167,332 times
Reputation: 17209

Advertisements

It's now only a matter of time. The NYTimes comes down strong on the side of Snowden.

Considering the enormous value of the information he has revealed, and the abuses he has exposed, Mr. Snowden deserves better than a life of permanent exile, fear and flight. He may have committed a crime to do so, but he has done his country a great service. It is time for the United States to offer Mr. Snowden a plea bargain or some form of clemency that would allow him to return home, face at least substantially reduced punishment in light of his role as a whistle-blower, and have the hope of a life advocating for greater privacy and far stronger oversight of the runaway intelligence community.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/02/op...=opinion&_r=1&

They go on to note how full of crap Obama is with everything he says also.

The shrill brigade of his critics say Mr. Snowden has done profound damage to intelligence operations of the United States, but none has presented the slightest proof that his disclosures really hurt the nation’s security.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 01-02-2014, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
86,052 posts, read 84,442,711 times
Reputation: 27720
Too little, too late.

There's a reason Snowden went to the Guardian and not any US MSM outlets.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-02-2014, 08:24 AM
 
79,913 posts, read 44,167,332 times
Reputation: 17209
Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
Too little, too late.

There's a reason Snowden went to the Guardian and not any US MSM outlets.
When the Supreme Court rules in his favor, there will be no fight left in the government.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-02-2014, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
86,052 posts, read 84,442,711 times
Reputation: 27720
Quote:
Originally Posted by pknopp View Post
When the Supreme Court rules in his favor, there will be no fight left in the government.
The Supreme Court already turned down a case.

NSA spying challenge turned aside : SCOTUSblog

I think you are hoping for something that I fear will not happen.
That's the three branches of the government covering each other's *sses.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-02-2014, 08:40 AM
 
79,913 posts, read 44,167,332 times
Reputation: 17209
Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
The Supreme Court already turned down a case.

NSA spying challenge turned aside : SCOTUSblog

I think you are hoping for something that I fear will not happen.
That's the three branches of the government covering each other's *sses.
The EPIC plea was filed directly in the Court, without prior lower court action.

It's very rare for them to do any different in that case. All the same, turn them down and then the ruling that it must stop becomes final.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-02-2014, 11:05 AM
 
4,734 posts, read 4,328,449 times
Reputation: 3235
People are naive if they think Snowden may somehow be allowed in the country as a free man again - that just won't happen. The American federal government's mentality is much like that of the Roman legions who pursued enemies to the ends of the earth. People might support him, but it doesn't matter. If I were him, I would not be coming out to boast about his exploits too often. Russia can at any time decide he's a pain in the rectum and return him as some sort of glasnost II bargaining chip.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-02-2014, 01:52 PM
 
3,433 posts, read 5,743,844 times
Reputation: 5471
Quote:
Originally Posted by AeroGuyDC View Post
Whether you approve, or disapprove, of the leaks of NSA/USA spying activities across the globe, including collecting virtually every digital footprint left behind by billions of average, everyday people, you have to admit that Edward Snowden won. Why? Because his actions have cast all sorts of doubts on the virtues of the US Government resulting in acrimony across world governments and their people, lawsuits against government that were once dismissed for "national security reasons," admissions of law-breaking by our very own government, and the general proclivity of people to stand up and say "enough is enough!" Yes, Edward Snowden has achieved his goals.

I agree.

Would Chancelor Merckel found out if not for Snowden ?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-02-2014, 02:05 PM
 
3,950 posts, read 5,086,255 times
Reputation: 2569
Quote:
Originally Posted by pknopp View Post
The shrill brigade of his critics say Mr. Snowden has done profound damage to intelligence operations of the United States, but none has presented the slightest proof that his disclosures really hurt the nation’s security.
One of the shrillest Surveillance State shills is former NSA Director Michael Hayden who really ought to be in prison for his involvement in the Bush Administration's Warrantless Wiretapping Scandal.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-03-2014, 12:48 AM
 
4,463 posts, read 6,226,427 times
Reputation: 2047
Quote:
Originally Posted by carterstamp View Post
Except for the fact he can never return to his own country.
So what, I know several people that are trying to get out of the USA, its not easy to leave the USA.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-03-2014, 07:38 PM
 
3,950 posts, read 5,086,255 times
Reputation: 2569
Journalist Glenn Greenwald has been saying that the most shocking revelations are yet to come. I can't imagine anyone viewing Edward Snowden as anything but a patriot just based on what's been released so far. If Mr. Greenwald exposes that the NSA has dossiers on innocent U.S. citizens then even the most fervent Surveillance State loyalist will be calling for DNI James Clapper's head. No?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:17 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top