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Old 10-29-2013, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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"In December, the final primary lead smelter in the United States will close...The lead bullion produced in Herculaneum (operated by the Doe Run Company) is then sold to lead product producers, including ammunition manufactures for use in conventional ammunition components such as projectiles, projectile cores, and primers...Doe Run made significant efforts to reduce lead emissions from the smelter, but in 2008 the federal Environmental Protection Agency issued new National Ambient Air Quality Standards for lead that were 10 times tighter than the previous standard. Given the new lead air quality standard, Doe Run made the decision to close the Herculaneum smelter."

End of an era: Last U.S. lead smelter to close in December | The Daily Caller

So, besides more people losing jobs, the cost of ammunition will go up (wonder if that means for the military, too).
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Old 10-29-2013, 09:18 AM
 
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Okay, sounds great. You can live in the area it is polluting with their lead waste.
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Old 10-29-2013, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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the majority of the batteries that are used in vehicles are lead/acid batteries. Yep, from golf carts to construction equipment and locomotives, they all use lead/acid batteries. Even the Uninterruptible power supplies used by telephone relay stations use lead/acid batteries. Where is the lead going to come from to make new ones?
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Old 10-29-2013, 01:19 PM
 
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Lead Pollution & The Environment

Why should it cause concern?

Lead can cause birth defects in unborn children
Lead poisoning can kill a person with a high enough introduced into the body
Deposits of lead in soil can harm both humans and animals by absorbing it into a body

How can humans and animals be affected by it?

Through polluted air
Through accidental ingestion of pieces of lead paint
Through water contaminated with lead
Through contaminated soil

How does Lead Pollution affect the body?

Lead in the body can damage internal organs
Lead can also damage the brain and nervous system
In a long term scenario, it can cause reproductive disorders and/or osteoporosis
Enough lead in the body will be fatal...


Is that all? We should be building more of these smelters instead of shutting this one down. And in fact let's lobby to get lead back in paint.
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Old 10-29-2013, 01:26 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Another EPA Fatality?

Nah, just another company singing the blues because it's not allowed to do whatever damage it damn well pleases to the environment.
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Old 10-29-2013, 01:45 PM
 
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the majority of the batteries that are used in vehicles are lead/acid batteries. Yep, from golf carts to construction equipment and locomotives, they all use lead/acid batteries. Even the Uninterruptible power supplies used by telephone relay stations use lead/acid batteries. Where is the lead going to come from to make new ones?
As long as the company complies with enviromental regulation then it is welcome to stay. If it wants to externalize the costs of its polluting onto the community, then it can go where people are willing to live around it. Some one needs to pay for cleanup, and damage it does to the community, why shouldn't the company pay for that instead of the public?
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Old 10-29-2013, 01:48 PM
 
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As long as the company complies with enviromental regulation then it is welcome to stay. If it wants to externalize the costs of its polluting onto the community, then it can go where people are willing to live around it. Some one needs to pay for cleanup, and damage it does to the community, why shouldn't the company pay for that instead of the public?
Guess you did not read the article...they are paying....However the restirctions are so tight....they just said goodbye....
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Old 10-29-2013, 02:00 PM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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the majority of the batteries that are used in vehicles are lead/acid batteries. Yep, from golf carts to construction equipment and locomotives, they all use lead/acid batteries. Even the Uninterruptible power supplies used by telephone relay stations use lead/acid batteries. Where is the lead going to come from to make new ones?
China, they don't care about their environment or their people.


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That supply might be cheaper too, good for foreign investors here in the states, they'll make bigger profits since American labor costs oh so much.
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Old 10-29-2013, 02:02 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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I know someone who owns a business that uses lots of chemicals, and they (hate) the EPA. They literally want to be able to dump the chemicals they use down the drain outside their building. But its natural for business owners to have this attitude.

But think about all the pollution problems of the past where large corporations would just dump their waste in rivers (and 100% of the animals in the river would die.)

Or think about the bottom part of the Mississippi river its called "Cancer Alley." Without the EPA most areas around rivers in this country would be called "Cancer Alley."

Cancer Alley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I guess the EPA can over-regulate sometimes, but without the EPA we would live in a toxic wasteland.
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Old 10-29-2013, 02:11 PM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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China, they don't care about their environment or their people.
Exactly, as long as it is the Chinese and other third-world people that are dying and not us Americans, we'll be able to wear our crowns of self-righteousness.We need to have laws that ban products produced in plants that exceed our environmental laws regardless of where they are made.
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