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Old 10-30-2013, 06:52 AM
 
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The dow before and during the great depression was a classic bubble. In the 6 years before the crash the dow rose over 300%. Then came the correction and sell off. Over 2 years the market lost 89% of it's value. Over the next 12 month it returned to it's pre-bubble level. It wasn't until 1955 that the market matched record bubble level.

The new deal itself was an utter failure. It lengthen the depression out for years, it wasn't until the start of WWII that the workforce recovered. The production of warfare machinery and men leaving for the military, provided the job necessary for the recovery.
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Old 10-30-2013, 06:52 AM
 
Location: The High Plains
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Where has the dollar been devalued? I've been hearing this "the dollar is being devalued" for six years and I am still waiting for it to happen.

This is the money supply growth since 2000:



This is the dollar index since 2000:



I don't see any dollar decline during the period when the Fed increased the money stock. From 2000-2008, now that was a decline.
Arbitrage rates are irrelevant...look at purchasing power.

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Old 10-30-2013, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Inflation has also been low over the last six years.
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Old 10-30-2013, 06:59 AM
 
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It's obvious because the DOW just closed at a record all time high of 15,680.
Real talk, now I don't say President Obama is responsible for the performance of the stock market, but in the last 2 years my 401k has a rate of return of 50%.
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Old 10-30-2013, 07:00 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Why is the Tea Party so concerned about the ACA?? The majority are on Medicare
Does Medicare eligibility just happen instantly by magic, or does one have to pay premiums for YEARS before one is even eligible for Medicare benefits? Think about that...
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Old 10-30-2013, 07:02 AM
 
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Does Medicare eligibility just happen instantly by magic, or does one have to pay premiums for YEARS before one is even eligible for Medicare benefits? Think about that...
Most people who are receive Medicare pull more out of Medicare far exceeding what they paid into it. So they have not strictly speaking paid for all the Medicare costs they incur.
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Old 10-30-2013, 07:03 AM
 
Location: The High Plains
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Inflation has also been low over the last six years.
Purchasing power has been low as well...and it's getting lower. Wouldn't you agree that the decreasing purchasing power of the dollar is relevant?
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Old 10-30-2013, 07:04 AM
 
Location: The High Plains
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Most people who are receive Medicare pull more out of Medicare far exceeding what they paid into it. So they have not strictly speaking paid for all the Medicare costs they incur.
Which creates unsustainability. Why do you think Medicare is facing over 7.7 trillion in unfunded liabilities.
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Old 10-30-2013, 07:08 AM
 
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Which creates unsustainability. Why do you think Medicare is facing over 7.7 trillion in unfunded liabilities.
Medicare is not the problem.

America's health care costs are so much more expensive when compared to other nations who manage to insure everyone.

In other words, America's issue is figuring out a way to control health care costs like other nation's already are managing to do.
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Old 10-30-2013, 07:13 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Most people who are receive Medicare pull more out of Medicare far exceeding what they paid into it. So they have not strictly speaking paid for all the Medicare costs they incur.
Those having paid NOTHING into insurance for years before eligibility will FAR exceed that pull. Who pays for that? How is that funded?

I'll remind you how other countries with national healthcare fund it. They do it via HIGHLY REGRESSIVE tax systems. Are you on board with that? Are liberals wiling to transition the U.S. to a HIGHLY REGRESSIVE tax system?
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When will liberals put their money where their mouths are and embrace the HIGHLY REGRESSIVE tax system necessary to fund the single-payer healthcare they want so much? If it was doable any other way, all those far more socialist countries would have done so. Note, specifically, that they haven't.
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