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Old 11-23-2007, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Denver
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We don't do any of the above - your statement above is, well ...bogus
I am living it, you can call it bogus but I know 2 families including my own where parents in their 50's and 60's have been forced to sell their homes and downgrade due to their health needs.
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Old 11-23-2007, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I am living it, you can call it bogus but I know 2 families including my own where parents in their 50's and 60's have been forced to sell their homes and downgrade due to their health needs.
Sorry -but, does not need to happen -
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Old 11-23-2007, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Denver
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Same thing - they have their clinics, in the same facilities. You are treated with dignity, care and respect.
Oh really? Please find me one in Florida, my mother has been to them all. They are hardly quality and what they do is, nickel and dime you, put on waiting lists for treatment...
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Old 11-23-2007, 09:01 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Not being able to pay for it, is denial.

Should we as Americans really force our poor and elderly to sell their houses, liquidate assets and live with their children in order to be treated?
How is that?
You receive the care and you can arrange to make payments.
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Old 11-23-2007, 09:03 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Oh really? Please find me one in Florida, my mother has been to them all. They are hardly quality and what they do is, nickel and dime you, put on waiting lists for treatment...
Ummm,as has been shown,a person would receive the same under a national health system.

Unless you purchase private health insurance ON TOP OF the money you pay in to the national system.
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Old 11-23-2007, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Denver
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How is that?
You receive the care and you can arrange to make payments.
Sounds easy doesn't it?

Until you need to make payments on something that is 4000.00 a month, and you bring in 2000.00 a month. Listen my mother has gone through this for the last 7 years. Making payments doesn't work.
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Old 11-23-2007, 09:05 AM
 
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My grandmother has relatives out in rural, small-town Oklahoma and she knows of poeple who had a heart attack and the hospital basicly refused to treat them because they didn't have insurance, and they were the only hospital in miles. It happens. You won't find John Stossel or other right wing apologists talking about it, though. Because that would be acknowledging that our healthcare system is broken
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Old 11-23-2007, 09:11 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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So treatment was received and now the issue is paying for it?

Realistically what is going to happen if she doesn't pay?
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Old 11-23-2007, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Denver
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So treatment was received and now the issue is paying for it?

Realistically what is going to happen if she doesn't pay?
In the case of my mother, she had to take money out of her 401k to pay for health costs, government considers her "not poor".

Basically hospitals and Doctors said they cannot take her anymore because the Doctor is not getting paid. They advised her to get better health insurance or find a way for the government to fund it (basically become low income and file for medicaid).

My mother and father have already made plans to work until they're 70, they can't afford to stop working. This has forced me and my wife to put money away to help them, because we know they will need it, plus we have to fund our own children.
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Old 11-23-2007, 09:24 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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In the case of my mother, she had to take money out of her 401k to pay for health costs, government considers her "not poor".

Basically hospitals and Doctors said they cannot take her anymore because the Doctor is not getting paid. They advised her to get better health insurance or find a way for the government to fund it (basically become low income and file for medicaid).

My mother and father have already made plans to work until they're 70, they can't afford to stop working. This has forced me and my wife to put money away to help them, because we know they will need it.
I would take the Doctor's advice and become 'poor'....

As to working until they are 70,you should sit down and ask them WHY?

To be brutaly honest older people seem to forget what they are working for and even if they NEVER pay the hospital bills what will happen?

Will they get bad credit?
Will they lose their home?
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