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"Asian" as in East/Southeast Asian and Indian/South Asian was slightly over 5% in the 2010 census. But that population skews somewhat younger than the overall numbers, meaning that the school-aged population is probably around 7 or 8%.
Ron Unz took the evidence of discrimination against Asians to a new level in a long article in the current issue of American Conservative, “The Myth of American Meritocracy.” As Steve Sailer has noted, Unz’s findings have received astonishingly little coverage. “Astonishingly,” because Unz has documented what looks very much like a tacitly common policy on the part of the Ivies to cap Asian admissions at about 16% of undergraduates, give or take a few percentage points, no matter what the quality of Asian applicants might be.That’s a strong statement, but consider the data that Unz has assembled.
They have been doing the same thing to white males for nearly 40 years; specifically to those looking into schools for degrees in engineering, science, mathematics, and other technical programs. Schools like MIT, Cal Tech, Georgia Tech, Rensselaer are much tougher on white male applicants. Today, medical schools are made up of 50% female students, although the vast majority of applicants are males with exemplary academic performance. Although many will probably argue with this, schools should also be required to accept U.S. citizens over foreign students, and considering schools are tax exempt.
"Asian" as in East/Southeast Asian and Indian/South Asian was slightly over 5% in the 2010 census. But that population skews somewhat younger than the overall numbers, meaning that the school-aged population is probably around 7 or 8%.
Even so cap is actually at illegal immigrants from India? 18% is not achievable by Asian population in USA. So basically OP and other Asians at this thread complain why USA do not want pay for education and feed (food stamps etc) Indians who overstay theirs tourist visas. To anyone born and raised in western Europe this would be mind blowing.
One is when someone say here that should not be visas and anyone should be allowed come here. But say that USA even should pay for theirs education, and at same time USA citizens pay for theirs education, is entire another level.
Sure it is, if you mean by test scores/GPA/etc. at top colleges. It is estimated that the Jewish undergraduate population at schools like Harvard or Yale is close to 1/5th, and that overrepresentation comes from those same factors - higher SAT/ACT/AP/SAT II/etc. scores, higher GPAs, more extracurriculars, and so on.
Is East Asian admission to top schools being "throttled" so that it doesn't exceed a certain percentage? Of course. That's quite obvious from the statistics.
Is that "fair"? Not really.
So why does that system persist?
A few reasons - one is that there is still an overrepresentation in percentage terms - just not as big as it would be without the throttling.
Another is that East Asian interest/political groups simply don't make a big deal out of this fact. Hence, there is no media coverage, and the issue is simply brushed aside and ignored.
Sure it is, if you mean by test scores/GPA/etc. at top colleges. It is estimated that the Jewish undergraduate population at schools like Harvard or Yale is close to 1/5th, and that overrepresentation comes from those same factors - higher SAT/ACT/AP/SAT II/etc. scores, higher GPAs, more extracurriculars, and so on.
Is East Asian admission to top schools being "throttled" so that it doesn't exceed a certain percentage? Of course. That's quite obvious from the statistics.
Is that "fair"? Not really.
So why does that system persist?
A few reasons - one is that there is still an overrepresentation in percentage terms - just not as big as it would be without the throttling.
Another is that East Asian interest/political groups simply don't make a big deal out of this fact. Hence, there is no media coverage, and the issue is simply brushed aside and ignored.
It's not just students with ancestry from East Asia but Asian students in general that are being throttled. Your last point more or less sums up why these policies continue. The concept of a pan-Asian identity probably exists more in the minds of non-Asians than Asians themselves, and this contributes to it. Most people from Asia simply think of themselves as the ethnicity/nationality that they belong to/originate from; and this coupled with the initial cultural aloofness of 1st generation immigrants, the relative integration of 2nd generation Asian-Americans into "mainstream" culture, their relative affluence, and the fact that they don't have a history of persecution and (heavy) discrimination against them as they usually were a part of the majorities in their countries of origin(and for the most part came to the US at least decade or two after the Civil Rights Era) all contribute to a lack of political coalescence to combat this sort of thing.
Just because a student has a 4.0 or a 4.2 does not mean that they are automatically an asset to a school. A school filled with the socially awkward is not beneficial to the school's overall reputation.
A big part of college life is the social atmosphere. Bonds formed in college (fraternities/sororities/etc.) are a large part of the lifelong network.
Only dumbos really believe really smart people with good grades are socially inept.
Saying that to themselves makes them feel better.
As I post above exactly you Asians are not capable to think critically and are not problem solver.
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Yeah, Asians are pretty bad at that.
It depends. Asians that are educated here are fully capable of thinking critically. Especially those who attended elementary school here. They have the critical thinking capacity of good American education (assuming they went to good schools) and the analytical capacity of Asians.
It's not just students with ancestry from East Asia but Asian students in general that are being throttled. Your last point more or less sums up why these policies continue. The concept of a pan-Asian identity probably exists more in the minds of non-Asians than Asians themselves, and this contributes to it. Most people from Asia simply think of themselves as the ethnicity/nationality that they belong to/originate from; and this coupled with the initial cultural aloofness of 1st generation immigrants, the relative integration of 2nd generation Asian-Americans into "mainstream" culture, their relative affluence, and the fact that they don't have a history of persecution and (heavy) discrimination against them as they usually were a part of the majorities in their countries of origin(and for the most part came to the US at least decade or two after the Civil Rights Era) all contribute to a lack of political coalescence to combat this sort of thing.
101 times. You are stopped because most of you are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS THAT USE FOULTY OF USA VISA SISTEMS. If would be only about Asians in USA you would never do 18%. As is right now US admission tests at U’s are for US citizens 1 billion of Indians and 500 millions of Chinese who learn English like second language in China. We Americans see that. It is one of way to stop you. Romney said that will be law to ban that tricks completely.
How you like moral human can require USA to pay education for you non citizens. Why you do not do such tricks in Russia or EU or Tanzania? First I do not understand why immigration don’t kick you out finally.
101 times. You are stopped because most of you are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS THAT USE FOULTY OF USA VISA SISTEMS. If would be only about Asians in USA you would never do 18%. As is right now US admission tests at U’s are for US citizens 1 billion of Indians and 500 millions of Chinese who learn English like second language in China. We Americans see that. It is one of way to stop you. Romney said that will be law to ban that tricks completely.
How you like moral human can require USA to pay education for you non citizens. Why you do not do such tricks in Russia or EU or Tanzania? First I do not understand why immigration don’t kick you out finally.
Most Asians are here legally. Aside from illegal immigrants, Asians that get federal and state funding for college are taxpayers or children of taxpayers.
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