Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Why not like the VAT? For reference....its a tax at every point of sale, with a credit allowed for the tax paid by the person you bought the item from....IE between companies. So a item from overseas would have no VAT credit associated with it, causing local items to be cheaper in some ways. If a car cost 10K locally, the overseas one would cost the seller 11K due to having no VAT associated with it. Interestingly enough China has VAT on some things......I really haven't thought about this much, and need to study some I think.....
And yes illegals would be hit too, but lets be honest....illegals arent exactly making a ton of taxable income. This isn't a real problem I would think?
illegals make a good deal of income. we aren't talking about poor apple pickers making ten cents an hour. we are talking about laborers doing the work that valued tradesmen once did. making in the $15-$20 an hour range easily.
They are worth reading, the good, the bad, and the ugly. I think we would find that it doesnt come close to covering things...wellll...maybe it would....
BTW the IRS would still be needed to collect those 999 taxes, showing you aren't really being serious about this. They don't magically appear.
So social security? Yeah forget granny, throw her off the cliff! Who cares if she paid in all her life!
Medicare and medicaid? Ditto but add in the disabled kids!
Interest on our debt? Hey who cares if we can no longer operate in the international markets cause MERICA! HECK YA!
EPA? Who needs it! Nevada can get into insanely polluting industries, watch it pour over their borders and poison everyone, but hey! states rights!
Food safety? Pshaw! REAL MEN eat toxic E coli and LOVE IT! (side note...most horrendous sickness ever-thought I was going to die....almost did...wished I did a couple times while going through it!)
And do you honestly believe breaking these up into 52 different departments for the states would work? One state would have no social security, when you get old enough to retire you move to a state that cares.... the differentials would destroy us.
They are worth reading, the good, the bad, and the ugly. I think we would find that it doesnt come close to covering things...wellll...maybe it would....
BTW the IRS would still be needed to collect those 999 taxes, showing you aren't really being serious about this. They don't magically appear.
So social security? Yeah forget granny, throw her off the cliff! Who cares if she paid in all her life!
Medicare and medicaid? Ditto but add in the disabled kids!
Interest on our debt? Hey who cares if we can no longer operate in the international markets cause MERICA! HECK YA!
EPA? Who needs it! Nevada can get into insanely polluting industries, watch it pour over their borders and poison everyone, but hey! states rights!
Food safety? Pshaw! REAL MEN eat toxic E coli and LOVE IT! (side note...most horrendous sickness ever-thought I was going to die....almost did...wished I did a couple times while going through it!)
And do you honestly believe breaking these up into 52 different departments for the states would work? One state would have no social security, when you get old enough to retire you move to a state that cares.... the differentials would destroy us.
Private sector and states would take care of granny. Or god forbid granny moves in with family.
Private sector and states would take care of granny. Or god forbid granny moves in with family.
Granny paid her entire life into these programs. So you're suggesting theft of a massive proportion. Seems....just a tad unfair.
And states doing it? Please. The benefits and costs would suck, and the shear overhead of 52 seperate systems would be nightmarish. And if a state failed?
Seriously..I know a lot of Ron Paul folks bought into this idea since they think social security is unconstitutional, but this is a idea full of horror and fail.
I say stop the gov from public education. Make a tax for our spending higher. Those who spend more pay more taxes. But the same tax for all. No tax except for churches. There is no need for the gov to be in education. Especially youth education. Leave it to the states.
to start a 5% across the board spending cut. not a cut in the rate of increase, but a REAL spending cut. if a department has a budget of $100, their budget becomes $95 after the cut. after that we cut the budget by 1% across the board over the next ten years.
second we consolidate departments that have similar functions. for instance there are 15 federal agencies that have the responsibility of making sure our food supplies are reasonably safe. we can cut that to 3-4 and still have the same level of service, perhaps better. that way we can cut out the bureaucrats and keep the inspectors.
third we eliminate the onerous regulations on business and the people. this would mean going through each regulation and testing its effectiveness, and its effect on the economy as well as what ever it was designed to do. if ineffective, eliminate it, if effective, and fair, keep it.
fourth we reform the tax code to simplify it, and eliminate deductions, as well as reducing the tax rates. a flat tax would be best, but probably wont happen anytime in the next four years.
in the end we are not going to eliminate the debt or the deficit right away, but we can do it over time, we just need to have the cohones to actually do it.
one more thing we can do is start eliminating federal departments that are unnecessary and wasteful.
Eliminate Federal department of Education, Department of Homeland Security, retaining only Border Patrol at 50% current funding, eliminate DEA, ATF, Depatrment of Agriculture, Welfare, Food Stamps, cut military spending by 50%, eliminate Obamacare.
If you are a tax opponent, then list which programs you cut, and by how much. Keep in mind social security is self funded. If you want a change there it goes towards the long term stability of the program, not the bottom line deficit. But you can suggest major changes.
If you are pro taxation then tell me what taxes do you increase, and by how much?
Im a little of both.
Military-cut 217 billion%, but NASA's budget doubled +17 billion. Thats still more then the next 3 largest countries COMBINED. total: -200 billion
Taxes I am a left wing socialist extremist - set to 50% for everyone no matter the income source. inheritance, working, investments....no deductions. Subtract the budget from that pile of cash, plus 10% of deficit per year....and the balance is distributed equally to all natural born citizens over the age of 18. Period. Makes everyone suddenly care about government spending. BUT eliminate minimum wage, social security, unemplyment, welfare, food stamps, etc etc etc.
Lets hear your ideas! What gets cut, what new tax rates, and provide numbers, not just opinions.
Good idea, but this forum is full of idiots. They'll just say things that only idiots think can politically happen such as we'll just cut things 10% across the board. It takes thought and intelligence to answer a question like this and unfortunately, even if you do that, the responses you'll get to your post here won't make any sense.
If you are a tax opponent, then list which programs you cut, and by how much. Keep in mind social security is self funded. If you want a change there it goes towards the long term stability of the program, not the bottom line deficit. But you can suggest major changes.
If you are pro taxation then tell me what taxes do you increase, and by how much?
Im a little of both.
Military-cut 217 billion%, but NASA's budget doubled +17 billion. Thats still more then the next 3 largest countries COMBINED. total: -200 billion
Taxes I am a left wing socialist extremist - set to 50% for everyone no matter the income source. inheritance, working, investments....no deductions. Subtract the budget from that pile of cash, plus 10% of deficit per year....and the balance is distributed equally to all natural born citizens over the age of 18. Period. Makes everyone suddenly care about government spending. BUT eliminate minimum wage, social security, unemplyment, welfare, food stamps, etc etc etc.
Lets hear your ideas! What gets cut, what new tax rates, and provide numbers, not just opinions.
If you want my take on federal taxes? Simple:
National retail sales tax of 11 percent on everything that is manufactured in some way - that leaves out raw food products and land, pretty much.
End the income tax.
Everyone who is current recieving SS benefits does so until they die. Anyone who is more than 15 years out, gets a "refund" of their paid in taxes over the next few years, and they save it in IRA's. Those less than can opt for refund, or continue to pay 15% of their earnings and get SS until they die.
After that, the federal government does the following things:
Ends the IRS. The treasury collects the sales tax from the states who oversee it for a .2% share. End EVERY OTHER AGENCY of the federal government except for justice, the court system, the treasury, library of Congress (includes standards of weights and measures) diplomatic corps, the military. Turn the USPS into a private entity and remove any restrictions from competing with it.
Return all land not required for military or other government offices to the states it is in.
Let the states run any welfare, entitlement, or other programs they wish.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
