Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 10-29-2013, 12:03 PM
 
Location: NJ
18,665 posts, read 19,962,294 times
Reputation: 7315

Advertisements

If they offered a good deal, folks would willingly choose to join and pay dues. To force one to join is extortion-a sure sign of a terrible product to be offering.
Thankfully, RTW states have grown in quantity, and will continue to do so. That allows folks to choose freely whether they wish to pay or not pay the union, as well as join or not join the union.Our forefathers fought for freedom, and enslaving some by forcing them to pay extortion money to work is shameful.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 10-29-2013, 01:27 PM
 
1,614 posts, read 2,071,315 times
Reputation: 804
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobtn View Post
If they offered a good deal, folks would willingly choose to join and pay dues. To force one to join is extortion-a sure sign of a terrible product to be offering.
Thankfully, RTW states have grown in quantity, and will continue to do so. That allows folks to choose freely whether they wish to pay or not pay the union, as well as join or not join the union.Our forefathers fought for freedom, and enslaving some by forcing them to pay extortion money to work is shameful.
Just shameful, our founding fathers intended for children to work 12 hour days 6 days a week in unsafe conditions!

Where is my freedom to have lower wages and longer hours?!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-29-2013, 01:35 PM
 
2,687 posts, read 2,184,507 times
Reputation: 1478
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobtn View Post
If they offered a good deal, folks would willingly choose to join and pay dues. To force one to join is extortion-a sure sign of a terrible product to be offering.
Thankfully, RTW states have grown in quantity, and will continue to do so. That allows folks to choose freely whether they wish to pay or not pay the union, as well as join or not join the union.Our forefathers fought for freedom, and enslaving some by forcing them to pay extortion money to work is shameful.
Folks to choose freely?

In Republicanland, all workers are the equivalent of a free agent Lebron James and nobody takes the only job they can get.

I would have a lot more respect for the right if they'd just say what they actually believe: that employers should have all the rights and all the power and employees should have no rights, no power and no protections. Instead, we get Orwellian doublespeak like "right to work."
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-29-2013, 04:32 PM
 
Location: NJ
18,665 posts, read 19,962,294 times
Reputation: 7315
RTW is the way to empower both employee and employer,as no force is involved. Those who wish to be in a union do so, those who do not are free to opt of.Freedom is scary to union folks.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-29-2013, 04:46 PM
 
31,387 posts, read 37,032,019 times
Reputation: 15038
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobtn View Post
If they offered a good deal, folks would willingly choose to join and pay dues.
Like too many people you want the good deal but you don't want to pay for it. When you "choose" to work for a unionized company, on the application put down that you want to work there but you don't want the union negotiated pay, benefits, work rules and working conditions, problem solved.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-29-2013, 05:47 PM
 
2,499 posts, read 2,625,469 times
Reputation: 1789
If a union negotiates pay raises and benefits should non-members receive them or have to negotiate with the company on their own?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-29-2013, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
13,714 posts, read 31,159,468 times
Reputation: 9270
Quote:
Originally Posted by zombocom View Post
Just shameful, our founding fathers intended for children to work 12 hour days 6 days a week in unsafe conditions!

Where is my freedom to have lower wages and longer hours?!
Doesn't happen in the US today, with or without unions.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-29-2013, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Maui County, HI
4,131 posts, read 7,440,633 times
Reputation: 3391
Quote:
Originally Posted by hoffdano View Post
Doesn't happen in the US today, with or without unions.
Because of labor laws. You know what has happened without unions? As unionization has dropped, so have wages and benefits.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-29-2013, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Maui County, HI
4,131 posts, read 7,440,633 times
Reputation: 3391
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobtn View Post
RTW is the way to empower both employee and employer,as no force is involved. Those who wish to be in a union do so, those who do not are free to opt of.Freedom is scary to union folks.
Here in the real world, RTW results in lower wages for workers than they'd otherwise get. Of course, that's the whole point isn't it? What do ‘right-to-work’ laws do to a state’s economy?
Quote:
2) Under right-to-work laws, workers reap fewer gains from economic growth. Supporters of right-to-work laws often argue that they'll help attract more businesses to a state. Opponents retort that weakening unions will lead to an erosion of wages. (A large Economic Policy Institute study from 2011 found that, after controlling for a host of factors, right-to-work states have lower wages on average than pro-union states.)

Both arguments might be correct. One careful study conducted by Hofstra's Lonnie Stevans in 2007 found that right-to-work laws do help boost the number of businesses in a state — but the gains mostly went to owners, while average wages went down. "Although right-to-work states may be more attractive to business," Stevans concludes, "this does not necessarily translate into enhanced economic verve in the right-to-work state if there is little 'trickle-down' from business owners to the non-unionized workers."
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-29-2013, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
25,386 posts, read 35,520,614 times
Reputation: 14692
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobtn View Post
If they offered a good deal, folks would willingly choose to join and pay dues. To force one to join is extortion-a sure sign of a terrible product to be offering.
Thankfully, RTW states have grown in quantity, and will continue to do so. That allows folks to choose freely whether they wish to pay or not pay the union, as well as join or not join the union.Our forefathers fought for freedom, and enslaving some by forcing them to pay extortion money to work is shameful.
Two reasons. If the person not paying union dues makes the same wage as the union worker then they are reaping the benefits without paying the cost. If they work for less, they are undermining everything the union works for. So, yeah, they're disliked.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top