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Old 11-01-2013, 06:55 AM
 
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Charles Krauthammer: Obamacare laid bare - The Washington Post

By Charles Krauthammer

Every disaster has its moment of clarity. Physicist Richard Feynman dunks an O-ring into ice water and everyone understands instantly why the shuttle Challenger exploded. This week, the Obamacare O-ring froze for all the world to see: Hundreds of thousands of cancellation letters went out to people who had been assured a dozen times by the president that “If you like your health-care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health-care plan. Period.”

The cancellations lay bare three pillars of Obamacare: (a) mendacity, (b) paternalism and (c) subterfuge.
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Old 11-01-2013, 07:01 AM
 
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insurance companies have sent hundreds of thousands of termination notices in recent months to previously insured Americans, telling them that their health insurance plans are changing to meet the requirements of the health-care law. Under the Affordable Care Act, beginning Jan. 1 insurers must offer renewal policies that cover a core group of essential health benefits, such as maternity care and prescription drug coverage. Policies that don’t offers such benefits can’t be sold after this year.

As a result, many insurers are discontinuing policies that do not comply with these new standards. If insurers discontinue a policy, they are required to give the policyholder 90 days’ notice and offer the option of enrolling in an alternative policy.
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Old 11-01-2013, 07:06 AM
 
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Charles Krauthammer: Obamacare laid bare - The Washington Post

By Charles Krauthammer

Every disaster has its moment of clarity. Physicist Richard Feynman dunks an O-ring into ice water and everyone understands instantly why the shuttle Challenger exploded. This week, the Obamacare O-ring froze for all the world to see: Hundreds of thousands of cancellation letters went out to people who had been assured a dozen times by the president that “If you like your health-care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health-care plan. Period.”

The cancellations lay bare three pillars of Obamacare: (a) mendacity, (b) paternalism and (c) subterfuge.
What a disaster indeed. Having trouble getting on a website is worse than the Titanic sinking + Pearl Harbor+ 9-11. Oh the humanity!
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Old 11-01-2013, 07:27 AM
 
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Yes- offering enrollment in "other plans".

Often, these "other plans" are medicaid or a plan with higher monthly payments, higher deductibles, and less coverage.

Whatever happened to "you can keep your plan and your doctor"?

Obamacare is a disaster. It has not delivered anything to "the uninsured", targeted people who did not want to buy healthcare in the first place, and robbed people of thier existing plans.

Spin it as you want, MTA, it is a DISASTER.
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Old 11-01-2013, 07:34 AM
 
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MTA quotes the Washington Post, which says " If insurers discontinue a policy, they are required to give the policyholder 90 days’ notice and offer the option of enrolling in an alternative policy."

Yay! Except now I have a $2500 deductible instead of just $1800. And now I have to pay 50% of the bill above the deductible instead of 20%. And now my out of pocket max for my family is $12,700 instead of $9,000.

Most people would think that having to pay more expense out of pocket before the insurance paid anything, and then having to pay a bigger chunk of every bill above that, and then being out of pocket by several thousand dollars more....is actually WORSE coverage than before. Thank goodness the President is there to explain that I actually am much better off now, even though I have quite a bit less money after he gets done with me.

I can't wait until Joe Sixpack shakes that bill out of the envelope after the kid breaks an arm and sees a $2500 deductible.
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Old 11-01-2013, 07:36 AM
 
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Turns out that Saturday Night Live got it exactly correct in their Parody of ObamaCare.

Only 6 people signed up with O-care on the Grand Opening Day.

Little did the cast know how accurate its over-the-top satire would be.

We only know the tip of the iceberg right now. Millions had insurance and have lost it - that's the group that did NOT get the "waiver/delay" for a year. Next year is when the real deluge of cancellations will hit - the Employer Mandate will go into effect and Big Employer Insurers will do the same as the Individual Market Insurers.

Obama LIED to everyone, and now we know it. What do we do next? It's beginning to look like this horrible law was designed to destroy our entire Health Insurance system.
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Old 11-01-2013, 07:45 AM
 
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MTA quotes the Washington Post, which says " If insurers discontinue a policy, they are required to give the policyholder 90 days’ notice and offer the option of enrolling in an alternative policy."

Yay! Except now I have a $2500 deductible instead of just $1800. And now I have to pay 50% of the bill above the deductible instead of 20%. And now my out of pocket max for my family is $12,700 instead of $9,000.

Most people would think that having to pay more expense out of pocket before the insurance paid anything, and then having to pay a bigger chunk of every bill above that, and then being out of pocket by several thousand dollars more....is actually WORSE coverage than before. Thank goodness the President is there to explain that I actually am much better off now, even though I have quite a bit less money after he gets done with me.

I can't wait until Joe Sixpack shakes that bill out of the envelope after the kid breaks an arm and sees a $2500 deductible.
Yep, and now you have an insurance policy that actually covers something rather than just take your money and ********* over the moment you need to use that super cheap insurance.
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Old 11-01-2013, 07:47 AM
 
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Charles Krauthammer: Obamacare laid bare - The Washington Post

By Charles Krauthammer

Every disaster has its moment of clarity. Physicist Richard Feynman dunks an O-ring into ice water and everyone understands instantly why the shuttle Challenger exploded. This week, the Obamacare O-ring froze for all the world to see: Hundreds of thousands of cancellation letters went out to people who had been assured a dozen times by the president that “If you like your health-care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health-care plan. Period.”

The cancellations lay bare three pillars of Obamacare: (a) mendacity, (b) paternalism and (c) subterfuge.
It's sort of pathetic when someone isn't intelligent enough to come up with their own opinions and have to post that of others.
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Old 11-01-2013, 09:29 AM
 
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It's sort of pathetic when someone isn't intelligent enough to come up with their own opinions and have to post that of others.
That's funny. I've been saying those things for years.

I put up the link because Krauthammer is a good wordsmith.
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Old 11-01-2013, 09:31 AM
 
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Turns out that Saturday Night Live got it exactly correct in their Parody of ObamaCare.

Only 6 people signed up with O-care on the Grand Opening Day.

Little did the cast know how accurate its over-the-top satire would be.

We only know the tip of the iceberg right now. Millions had insurance and have lost it - that's the group that did NOT get the "waiver/delay" for a year. Next year is when the real deluge of cancellations will hit - the Employer Mandate will go into effect and Big Employer Insurers will do the same as the Individual Market Insurers.

Obama LIED to everyone, and now we know it. What do we do next? It's beginning to look like this horrible law was designed to destroy our entire Health Insurance system.
where have you been? it WAS designed to kill the private health insurance industry from the beginning obama said as much over the years to various organizations like SEIU where said he was a proponent of single payer health care, and that it couldnt be done right way, but that it would take 10-15 years to get there. obamacare is rubbish enough that it may do that during his presidency, especially if the democrats take back all of congress.
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