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Old 12-26-2013, 02:05 AM
 
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It's awkward word usage. The "social deprivation" in this context is not related to anti-social behavior. It's "economic deprivation".

It's a UK publication. I wonder if it would make more sense to a Brit?
Awkword!

It is awkword usage.

I never do that myself.
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Old 12-26-2013, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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Oy vey. Ignoring semantics (because Harrier presumably has never so much as read a British publication, must less visited the UK if he has such issues with the language), there is a lot of truth to this.

It's similar to why young adults with cancer haven't seen any increase in survival rates in the past 30 years, while survival rates for the elderly and children have skyrocketed. Cannot afford medical care until the disease is more advanced, the added stress of fighting cancer while also worrying about how to pay rent, skipping medications and appointments due to cost, and having to go back to work too soon (or, in my case, not being able to take time off of work at all against doctor's wishes). Even in the best of diagnosis circumstances, if you are going through treatment working full time, stressed out about bills, unable to eat well or keep clean (or hire people to do it for you), then you are not going to have as good of an outcome as someone who had less stress.

Money can't buy you health, but it can mitigate the effects of bad health.
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Old 12-26-2013, 09:28 AM
 
Location: west central Georgia
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We can always highlight them.

Liberal non-words and terms such as "social deprivation", "income inequality", "undocumented immigrant", and "marriage equality" need to be denounced for what they are - utter nonsense.
Dont forget food insecurity.
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Old 12-29-2013, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Oy vey. Ignoring semantics (because Harrier presumably has never so much as read a British publication, must less visited the UK if he has such issues with the language), there is a lot of truth to this.

It's similar to why young adults with cancer haven't seen any increase in survival rates in the past 30 years, while survival rates for the elderly and children have skyrocketed. Cannot afford medical care until the disease is more advanced, the added stress of fighting cancer while also worrying about how to pay rent, skipping medications and appointments due to cost, and having to go back to work too soon (or, in my case, not being able to take time off of work at all against doctor's wishes). Even in the best of diagnosis circumstances, if you are going through treatment working full time, stressed out about bills, unable to eat well or keep clean (or hire people to do it for you), then you are not going to have as good of an outcome as someone who had less stress.

Money can't buy you health, but it can mitigate the effects of bad health.
People who aren't "socially deprived" don't have stress?
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Old 12-29-2013, 03:35 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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It is not social deprecation that kills people with breast cancer. It is the chemo that does. Chemo has a 97% failure rate.
However, there are many holistic doctors that cure cAncer all the time. But they are usually shut down by the FDA. that is the real crime.
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Old 12-29-2013, 06:25 PM
 
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Social deprivation - whatever that no doubt liberal inspired term means - claims the life of 450 breast cancer victims a year, according to a Cancer Research study.





Is social deprivation to blame for 450 avoidable deaths from breast cancer each year? - Health & Families - Life & Style - The Independent

Now, we all know that "deprived" is a code word for "black, brown, or non-white", while "affluent" is a code word for "white", no matter the fact that many non-white people are affluent, and many white people are deprived, and this is true in England as well as the USA.

Don't we always hear that non-white people are "warmer" and more socially connected than those "cold" "anti-social" white people who are supposedly the source of all the non-white people's ills?

If that is so, then how can any of these people cited be socially deprived?

Can someone answer that question and/or explain how the conclusions of this study make an iota of sense?
(UPDATE: having read further posts, I now see that the article was written in a foreign language, by a Brit, and refers to economic deprivation, which is not the meaning of 'social deprivation' generally understood by Americans. Therefore, the bit below in this post should probably be regarded as what Brits call '*******s' and hence disregarded.) (Had no idea vBulletin knows British English)

Um, no, in this context, "socially deprived" is used in the interpersonal sense and is NOT about money or material resources. It's about having friends, family, and social networks, which can provide invaluable yet intangible support. The poor and the non-white in this country are probably less likely to be socially deprived than to be materially deprived.

The stereotypical welfare abuser yakking on smartphone, with kids sporting iPods and XBOX and Air Jordans, is NOT socially deprived, they are socially well-connected within their networks, while their next door neighbor on welfare who has none of those things is more likely to be socially deprived. Among welfare recipients, material deprivation probably is an indicator of social deprivation, which might be why things that don't make sense to the rest of us (like tattoos and Air Jordans) often take on inordinate importance to some of these people.

There is an extreme example of social deprivation I've seen described in multiple places; for all I know it may be a fiction employed to show an example. Traditional Asian clan structures are highly socially-dependent, and the example I've seen described involves an Asian man from a clan which has relocated to the West. The man knows only the clan lifestyle; Western culture is, well, foreign to him. He does something apparently unspeakable and is completely ostraciized by his clan; he now has no social support, is completely deprived socially, and soon dies, totally alone.

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Old 12-29-2013, 06:27 PM
 
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People who aren't "socially deprived" don't have stress?

Sure they do, just at lower and less consistent levels.
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Old 12-29-2013, 06:37 PM
 
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It's awkward word usage. The "social deprivation" in this context is not related to anti-social behavior. It's "economic deprivation".

It's a UK publication. I wonder if it would make more sense to a Brit?

UH-OH! It must make more sense to a Brit because it doesn't make sense to an American,

I assumed it was written by an American; I may have egregiously jumped to a conclusion and misspoken above in #26.

To an American's typical familiarity with the term, social deprivation is social and distinct from economic deprivation.
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Old 12-29-2013, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Sure they do, just at lower and less consistent levels.
Is there a study that has been conducted to demonstrate that your assertion is true?
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Old 12-29-2013, 10:59 PM
 
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Is there a study that has been conducted to demonstrate that your assertion is true?

Google is sometimes your friend:

The study by the Pittsburgh-based university measured the income and years of education for 95 men and 98 women, and then tested their urine and saliva for stress hormones.

Low income, more stress, CMU study finds - Pittsburgh Business Times


An avalanche of chronic stress — driven by concerns ranging from parenting to discrimination — disproportionately affects poor mothers and fathers, according to the first results from a comprehensive multi-state study.

"Those who are poor have much higher stress than those who are not. In fact, being poor was associated with more of almost every kind of stress," said Chris Dunkel Schetter, a professor of psychology in UCLA's College of Letters and Science and the study's lead author.

University of California - UC Newsroom | Low-income parents endure more stress, study finds
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