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Old 12-06-2013, 09:31 PM
 
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You clearly are overlooking Jewish law. Traditionally and this is in the Talmud and OT. One can only be Jewish if at least the mother is a Jew. It's determined based on the mother and maternal line. If the father is Jewish and the mother is NOT, then by Jewish law, that child is NOT a Jew, and they would have to be properly and legally converted under proper observation to be accepted as Jewish.

And Jews have lived in many lands throughout the globe since the beginning so how could they not be truly European, Russian or German etc? A Russian Jew is no different than a Russian Muslim or Russian Christian or those of any other religion or ethnic group. All are 100% true Russians in their own right.
Throughout the Old Testament the lineage of the sons of Jacob are followed, not the lineage of the women they married. The lineage of Jesus' earthly father, Joseph, is traced back to David and Judah, though His heavenly Father is, of course, God.
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Old 12-06-2013, 09:44 PM
 
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The only way that someone technically could be a Muslim Jew would be if their mother is Jewish (so considered Jewish by the Jewish tradition) and their father a Muslim (so considered a Muslim by the Islamic tradition).

There are Palestinian Jews whose families lived in the area of Palestine/Israel for generations.

There are Jews whose families come from Arab countries. As I already explained they don't usually call themselves "Arab Jews" but rather Jews from particular countries (that are Arab countries).

There are Palestinian Arabs who are Christian rather than Muslim.
And there are Jews from Africa, Jews from India, and Jews from Europe. During all the conflicts in ancient times, people from what is now Israel migrated or were taken in bondage south into Africa, east as far as India, and north into Eastern Europe. There were even some isolated Jewish settlements in China. You are also considered fully Jewish if you convert to Judaism, no matter what your genetics are.
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Old 12-07-2013, 07:32 AM
 
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And there are Jews from Africa, Jews from India, and Jews from Europe. During all the conflicts in ancient times, people from what is now Israel migrated or were taken in bondage south into Africa, east as far as India, and north into Eastern Europe. There were even some isolated Jewish settlements in China. You are also considered fully Jewish if you convert to Judaism, no matter what your genetics are.
To add one can be Jewish if their mother is Jewish or if they converted to Judaism in an acceptable Jewish conversion. One can be Jewish from anywhere on the planet.
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Old 12-09-2013, 01:06 PM
 
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What is a Muslim Jew? Isn't that an oxymoron?
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"Muslim Jews"? There is no such thing.
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Stole my thunder......
I'm curious too.
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Old 12-09-2013, 01:07 PM
 
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Throughout the Old Testament the lineage of the sons of Jacob are followed, not the lineage of the women they married. The lineage of Jesus' earthly father, Joseph, is traced back to David and Judah, though His heavenly Father is, of course, God.
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Old 12-12-2013, 07:27 PM
 
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To add one can be Jewish if their mother is Jewish or if they converted to Judaism in an acceptable Jewish conversion. One can be Jewish from anywhere on the planet.
You cannot 'convert' to Judaism, unless you figure out a way to infuse the dna of the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, whose descendants are explicitly defined in the bible as the chosen people of God. This was true until the birth of Jesus Christ, who brings all who accept Him as Lord and Savior into the chosen family of God.
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Old 12-15-2013, 09:30 AM
 
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What is a Muslim Jew? Isn't that an oxymoron?
The Islamic faith actually has much in common with Judaism, in that both deny that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Judaism does so implicitly, by ignoring His claim to be Son of God for the past 2,000 years, while the Koran explicitly says that Jesus is not the Son of God.

Two of the tribes of Israel, Gad and Reuben, remained on the east side of the Jordan river (modern day Jordan), so we are talking about millions of Jews now living in Jordan who, at least outwardly, claim to be Muslim.

Other religions are ignorant of Jesus, while Judaism and Islam take an active stance against Him, which is Satan's greatest desire, so these 2 religions share this most important aspect.

A 'Jew' is one who comes from the lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, as Jesus' earthly parents were.

However, because of their constant rebellion against Him, God sent His Son to die on the cross for the sins of Jews and non-Jews alike, and a Jew must gain reconciliation to God through Jesus Christ, just as the non-Jew.
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Old 12-15-2013, 10:36 AM
 
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Muslim Jews?
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Old 12-15-2013, 10:37 AM
 
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You cannot 'convert' to Judaism, unless you figure out a way to infuse the dna of the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, whose descendants are explicitly defined in the bible as the chosen people of God. This was true until the birth of Jesus Christ, who brings all who accept Him as Lord and Savior into the chosen family of God.
Sammy Davis did. I know others have also.
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Old 12-17-2013, 02:49 PM
 
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There were many forced converts, ie, the Samaritans. (Wikipedia)

'Much of the local Palestinian population of Nablus is believed to be descended from Samaritans who converted to Islam. According to the historian Fayyad Altif, large numbers of Samaritans converted due to persecution under various Muslim rulers, and because the monotheistic nature of Islam made it easy for them to accept it. The Samaritans themselves describe the Ottoman period as the worst period in their modern history, as many Samaritan families were forced to convert their religion to Islam during that time. Even today, certain Nabulsi family names such as Muslimani, Yaish, and Shakshir among others, are associated with Samaritan ancestry.
Speaking of Samaritans:

The Israelite Samaritan Version of the Torah: First English Translation Compared with the Masoretic Version

"This landmark volume presents the first-ever English translation of the ancient Israelite Samaritan version of the Pentateuch, or Torah. A text of growing interest and importance in the field of biblical studies, the Samaritan Pentateuch preserves a version of the Hebrew text distinct from the traditional Masoretic Text that underlies modern Bible translations.

Benyamim Tsedaka's expert English translation of the Samaritan Pentateuch is here laid out parallel to the more familiar Masoretic Text, highlighting the more than 6,000 differences between the two versions. In addition to extensive explanatory notes in the margins throughout, the book's detailed appendices show affinities between the Samaritan and Septuagint versions and between the Samaritan and Dead Sea Scroll texts. Concluding the volume is a categorical name index containing a wealth of comparative information."
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