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Old 02-08-2014, 06:55 PM
 
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You cannot be Muslim and Jewish.
As I said previously... 'being a 'Jew' means simply to be a direct blood descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jacob (Israel) had 12 sons (tribes). They can adopt whatever religion they choose to.

The bloodline is transferred via the males. Indeed the Jewish line of David is famously 'mixed' in that Ruth was a Moabite (modern day Jordanian).
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Old 02-08-2014, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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As I said previously... 'being a 'Jew' means simply to be a direct blood descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jacob (Israel) had 12 sons (tribes). They can adopt whatever religion they choose to.

The bloodline is transferred via the males. Indeed the Jewish line of David is famously 'mixed' in that Ruth was a Moabite (modern day Jordanian).
You can cease to be Jewish by converting to another faith. Muslim and Jew are mutually exclusive terms from the Jewish point of view. Muslim and Christian are likewise mutually exclusive terms to them. Adopting any religion other than Judaism means they no longer consider you to be a Jew. On the other hand, you can be non-Jewish and be initiated into their religion as a proselyte, and from that point on you are Jewish. Many non-Jews who wanted to marry a Jewish young man or woman converted to Judaism so their intended would not be disowned by their Jewish family and community. Being a Jew is a statement of religion more than anything else. How many times do people have to re-explain it for you??

Your opinion on this matter has been debunked and disproven over and over and over and over and over again. Why are you still beating a dead horse??
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Old 02-09-2014, 02:02 AM
 
Location: SoCal
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As I said previously... 'being a 'Jew' means simply to be a direct blood descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jacob (Israel) had 12 sons (tribes). They can adopt whatever religion they choose to.

The bloodline is transferred via the males. Indeed the Jewish line of David is famously 'mixed' in that Ruth was a Moabite (modern day Jordanian).
Do we have any actual, solid proof that any of these Biblical characters actually existed, though?
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Old 02-11-2014, 03:05 PM
 
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You can cease to be Jewish by converting to another faith. Muslim and Jew are mutually exclusive terms from the Jewish point of view. Muslim and Christian are likewise mutually exclusive terms to them. Adopting any religion other than Judaism means they no longer consider you to be a Jew. On the other hand, you can be non-Jewish and be initiated into their religion as a proselyte, and from that point on you are Jewish. Many non-Jews who wanted to marry a Jewish young man or woman converted to Judaism so their intended would not be disowned by their Jewish family and community. Being a Jew is a statement of religion more than anything else. How many times do people have to re-explain it for you??

Your opinion on this matter has been debunked and disproven over and over and over and over and over again. Why are you still beating a dead horse??
You are the one who is wrong. Did you ever read the Old Testament? Don't you realize that the Jews are the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? No matter if Gentiles would like to be the Chosen people of God, they could not be. Adopting the Mosaic laws given to the Jews to follow does not make you Jewish. There was an exclusivity based on bloodline. That has been changed by the appearance of the final Priest-Prophet, Jesus Christ, who came as the Jewish Messiah for the Jews first, and then the Gentiles, who would embrace Him as their Savior.
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Old 02-11-2014, 08:10 PM
 
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What is a Muslim Jew? Isn't that an oxymoron?
maybe he meant arab jews?
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Old 02-11-2014, 08:11 PM
 
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You are the one who is wrong. Did you ever read the Old Testament? Don't you realize that the Jews are the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? No matter if Gentiles would like to be the Chosen people of God, they could not be. Adopting the Mosaic laws given to the Jews to follow does not make you Jewish. There was an exclusivity based on bloodline. That has been changed by the appearance of the final Priest-Prophet, Jesus Christ, who came as the Jewish Messiah for the Jews first, and then the Gentiles, who would embrace Him as their Savior.

so where does christians belong if they were to do what european jews did in 1948 and prior?
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Old 02-15-2014, 05:37 AM
 
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Of Israeli and Palestinian leaders who was born in Palestine?
Interesting reading;

ISRAELI LEADERS:
BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, - Born 21 October 1949 in Tel Aviv.
EHUD BARAK, - Born 12 February 1942 in Mishmar HaSharon, British Mandate of Palestine.
ARIEL SHARON, - Born 26 February 1928 in Kfar Malal, British Mandate of Palestine.
EHUD OLMERT, - Born 30 September 1945 in Binyamina-Giv'at Ada, British Mandate of Palestine.
ITZHAK RABIN, - Born 1 March 1922 in Jerusalem British Mandate of Palestine.
ITZHAK NAVON,- Israeli President in 1977-1982. Born 9 April 1921 in Jerusalem, British Mandate of Palestine.
EZER WEIZMAN, - Israeli President in 1993-2000. Born 15 June 1924 in Tel Aviv, British Mandate of Palestine.

ARAB “PALESTINIAN” LEADERS:
YASSER ARAFAT, - Born 24 August 1929 in Cairo, Egypt.
SAEB EREKAT, - Born April 28, 1955, in Jordan. He has the Jordanian citizenship.
FAISAL ABDEL QADER AL-HUSSEINI, - Born in1948 in Bagdad, Iraq.
SARI NUSSEIBEH, - Born in 1949 in Damascus, Syria.
MAHMOUD AL-ZAHAR, - Born in 1945, in Cairo, Egypt.

So, Israeli leaders, who were born in Palestine, are “Settlers" or "Invaders”.
While Palestinian Arab leaders who were born in Egypt, Syria, Iraq and Tunisia are “Native Palestinians”???!!!
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Old 02-16-2014, 05:44 PM
 
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maybe he meant arab jews?
You can be a Muslin Jew. Sarah Silverman claims to be an atheist Jew.
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Old 02-17-2014, 02:27 AM
 
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Then how would you define a 'Jew'?
Anti-camel, donkey riders?

Maybe camels are corporate vehicles and donkeys are individual vehicles.

My view of Jews was significantly formed by having read "Skinny Legs And All" by historian, Tom Robbins.

" . . Spike Cohen and Roland Abu Hadee (a Jew and an Arab who co-own a Middle-Eastern restaurant across from the UN building in New York)"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinny...and_All_(novel)

"The author Tom Robbins, and others, have suggested the name originates from the ancient androgynous god Pales who was widely worshipped in the region known as Palestine. If this is so then the name of the region means `Land of Pales’. That there was an androgynous god with the head of a donkey who was popularly recognized as Pales by the Canaanites, Israelites and Philistines . ."

http://www.ancient.eu.com/palestine/

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Old 02-17-2014, 09:25 PM
 
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Anti-camel, donkey riders?

Maybe camels are corporate vehicles and donkeys are individual vehicles.

My view of Jews was significantly formed by having read "Skinny Legs And All" by historian, Tom Robbins.

" . . Spike Cohen and Roland Abu Hadee (a Jew and an Arab who co-own a Middle-Eastern restaurant across from the UN building in New York)"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinny...and_All_(novel)

"The author Tom Robbins, and others, have suggested the name originates from the ancient androgynous god Pales who was widely worshipped in the region known as Palestine. If this is so then the name of the region means `Land of Pales’. That there was an androgynous god with the head of a donkey who was popularly recognized as Pales by the Canaanites, Israelites and Philistines . ."

http://www.ancient.eu.com/palestine/
I am fascinated by Jewish history. They were the 'Chosen' people of God, namely the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and when they obeyed their God they always prevailed over their idol worshiping enemies. However they themselves constantly turned against their God, following the idols of the Gentile tribes around them, until Israel was eventually apostate, causing God to bring forth His own Son to provide salvation for them as well as the Gentiles. What amazes me is that they rejected and killed their own Messiah 2,000 years ago, and continue to deny Him to this day. Not all Jews rejected Jesus of course, since the original Christian apostles and martyrs were Jewish.
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