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Old 04-05-2014, 05:12 PM
 
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Not true, Christianity is an extension of Judaism. Christ is the Messiah that was foretold of by the Jewish prophets of the Old Testament. He wasn't some entirely new and unrelated personage. The unbelieving Jews denied Jesus as their Messiah, even after He performed numerous miracles, and He told them that their stubbornness would preclude them from entering the kingdom of heaven. The Jews were favored by God in the Old Testament times, but were not the ones only who could enter into a relationship with God. There are numerous instances of Gentiles who turned away from idol worship to follow God, and conversely there were numerous Jews who turned away from God to follow idols or their own lust. Because man is unable to follow God in a sinless manner, the plan of mankind's salvation was fullfilled in the coming of Jesus Christ as redeemer of the creation to the Creator.

The books of the Old Testament contain many passages about the Messiah—all prophecies Jesus Christ fulfilled.

Prophecies Jesus - 44 Messianic Prophecies Jesus Fulfilled
Obviously you are quoting Christian beliefs which are not accepted by Jews. Jesus was regarded as a false Messiah and Jews are still waiting today for the Elijah the real Messiah. If Jesus had been a real Messiah the world would be a completely different place today.
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Old 04-09-2014, 08:34 PM
 
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I didn't know Baal was the other name for Jesus.

Anyway you can't be a Muslim Jew. That's like saying a Christian Hindu. Is there such a thing as a Christian Hindu? I mean there are Christians in India, but they are Christians not Hindus. How about a Sikh Buddhist ... how is that possible?
Baal was a Canaanite fertility deity, popular among Canaanites, and worshiped by some Jews. Ahab, the king of Israel, and his wife Jezebel, built numerous temples to Baal. Because of Israel's continued idol worship, God allowed the Assyrians to defeat Israel, and settle in the capital city of Samaria. Perhaps you heard of the 'woman at the well' whom Jesus talked to. She was surprised that a Jew from would talk to a Samaritan, who were looked down on because of their mixed blood. Perhaps you heard of the parable that Jesus told about the Good Samaritan who helped a robbed man when a priest and Levite passed by. There is a reason why Jesus mentions the Samaritans specifically.

A 'Jew' is a racial lineage. Judaism is the Mosaic law given by God thru Moses to the Jews, who were the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The 12 tribes of Jacob refer to the 12 sons of Jacob, whose name was later changed to Israel, hence the 12 tribes of Israel.

Many ethnic Jews, who have lived in the original land of Canaan for generations, are now Muslim, either by choice or coercion. If you adopt Judaism as your religion, you are adopting the Mosaic law that was given to the Jews.

You can't be a believer in Judaism and Christianity, since orthodox Judaism rejects Christ. You can be an ethnic Jew and a believer in Christ, and the original apostles were.

Being a believer in Judaism and Islam is actually easier to accomplish, since both religions reject Christ as the Messiah.
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Old 04-13-2014, 09:11 PM
 
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To be fair, one can be a Jew by ethnicity and be a Christian by religion.
You are correct.
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Old 04-14-2014, 12:10 AM
 
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One can absoulutely convert to Judaism.
In theory.

In practice, it's so exceedingly difficult to perform a meaningful (Orthodox) conversion that few are performed and there is no annual statistically relevant convert group from any country, worldwide, for whom Israeli citizenship would be granted (if pursued) and for whom individual marriage in Israel would be allowed.

Some Sephardic Jewish groups did not perform conversions for 500 years.

Conversions are regularly deemed invalid even years after the conversion. Converts are often monitored for religious adherence, unlike born-Jews.

There is also special word for converts that serves to set them apart. Social stigma can also exist, especially within any one Jewish sect as it increases in relative Orthodoxy. Converts are often told not to admit that they are converts.

Meaningful conversions are so difficult and rare so as to be statistically irrelevant. This is why genetic testing for Jewish roots is so reliable.

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Old 04-14-2014, 12:27 AM
 
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You can cease to be Jewish by converting to another faith. Muslim and Jew are mutually exclusive terms from the Jewish point of view. Muslim and Christian are likewise mutually exclusive terms to them. Adopting any religion other than Judaism means they no longer consider you to be a Jew. On the other hand, you can be non-Jewish and be initiated into their religion as a proselyte, and from that point on you are Jewish. Many non-Jews who wanted to marry a Jewish young man or woman converted to Judaism so their intended would not be disowned by their Jewish family and community. Being a Jew is a statement of religion more than anything else. How many times do people have to re-explain it for you??

Your opinion on this matter has been debunked and disproven over and over and over and over and over again. Why are you still beating a dead horse??

This is 100% hogwash.

The truth is the exact opposite of what you claim. Jews remain jews no matter what. There is no way out of the covenant. This is why atheist Jews, to use an extreme example, are still considered full Jews by every Jewish sect. Atheist Jews, should they return to religious Judaism (even if they never practiced it but are merely a born Jew), do not need to undergo a conversion. That is all the proof that is required to fully disprove your claims.

If you are born to a halachically Jewish mother than you are forever a Jew. To state otherwise is a lie.
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Old 04-15-2014, 06:19 AM
 
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If you are born to a halachically Jewish mother than you are forever a Jew. To state otherwise is a lie.
If a Jew converts formally to another religion according to the Jewish tradition, that person's family must mourn them as if they are dead.
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Old 04-15-2014, 01:40 PM
 
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If a Jew converts formally to another religion according to the Jewish tradition, that person's family must mourn them as if they are dead.
What happens if they return to Judaism? Do they have to undergo a conversion? If not, then they never ceased to be a Jew.

Why do lifelong atheist Jews not have to undergo an Orthodox conversion, nor jews whose lineage has been traced and validated to be halachically valid several generations back, even though they, their parents, and grandparents may have practiced other religions or have been atheists?

If no conversion is required, then they were always Jewish.
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Old 04-15-2014, 03:48 PM
 
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Many people do not know that the place where Joshua crossed first the Jordan river into Canaan (the West Bank), is where many Jews have lived for centuries, even if they are Muslim, and that most of the Israelis who are stealing their land are non-Jews. If it is 'illegal' to do so, why does America continue to send billions a year in 'welfare' checks to Israel?

"Israel has announced plans to build 1,500 new settlement homes in East Jerusalem, the part of the city occupied by Israel in 1967 but claimed by Palestinians, just hours after it freed 26 Palestinian prisoners as part of a deal to restart peace talks.

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Israel to build 1,500 new settlement homes in East Jerusalem | Al Jazeera America
I guess this is why people think attacks in the area on Jewish Israelis are justified such as the one on the eve of Passover last night: Israeli man killed, two wounded in Palestinian shooting near Hebron - Israel News, Ynetnews
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