U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Closed Thread Start New Thread
 
Old 11-08-2013, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
36,527 posts, read 22,677,058 times
Reputation: 22867

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by KRAMERCAT View Post
You can't decide to 'become' Jewish, and you can't decide to 'not be' Jewish. God's promise was explicitly to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. If you have children from a Jewish person, then your offspring are Jewish by blood. There were many 'mixed race' Jews, ie, the Samaritans were Assyrian/Jewish.

Quote:
Main article: Who is
a Jew?


Judaism
shares some of the characteristics of a nation, an ethnicity,[SIZE=2][12][/SIZE] a religion, and a culture, making the definition of who is a Jew vary
slightly depending on whether a religious or national approach to identity is
used.[SIZE=2][49][/SIZE][SIZE=2][50][/SIZE] Generally, in modern secular usage Jews include three groups: people who were born to a Jewish family regardless of whether or not they follow the religion, those who have
some Jewish ancestral background or lineage (sometimes including those who do
not have strictly matrilineal descent), and people without any Jewish
ancestral background or lineage who have formally converted to Judaism and therefore are followers of
the religion.[SIZE=2][51][/SIZE]
Short answer, it depends. Are you using the term "Jew" for it's ethnocentric meaning, or simply for those that practice Judaism as a religion?
Rate this post positively

 
Old 11-08-2013, 11:51 AM
 
4,516 posts, read 4,503,185 times
Reputation: 1545
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
Short answer, it depends. Are you using the term "Jew" for it's ethnocentric meaning, or simply for those that practice Judaism as a religion?
I am using God's definition, namely that His people are the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Rate this post positively
 
Old 11-08-2013, 12:03 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
66,590 posts, read 48,771,326 times
Reputation: 36764
Quote:
Originally Posted by KRAMERCAT View Post
I am using God's definition, namely that His people are the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Which in reality is what Jews claim is God's definition.
Rate this post positively
 
Old 11-08-2013, 12:08 PM
 
27,623 posts, read 19,644,594 times
Reputation: 11077
Quote:
Originally Posted by KRAMERCAT View Post
You can't decide to 'become' Jewish, and you can't decide to 'not be' Jewish. God's promise was explicitly to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. If you have children from a Jewish person, then your offspring are Jewish by blood. There were many 'mixed race' Jews, ie, the Samaritans were Assyrian/Jewish.
One can absoulutely convert to Judaism.
Rate this post positively
 
Old 11-08-2013, 12:34 PM
 
1,347 posts, read 896,843 times
Reputation: 589
Quote:
Originally Posted by KRAMERCAT View Post
You can't decide to 'become' Jewish, and you can't decide to 'not be' Jewish. God's promise was explicitly to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. If you have children from a Jewish person, then your offspring are Jewish by blood. There were many 'mixed race' Jews, ie, the Samaritans were Assyrian/Jewish.
I would urge you to immediately, as in right this second, to stop posting on this topic, as you have absolutely no f--king idea what you are talking about.
Rate this post positively
 
Old 11-08-2013, 02:11 PM
 
4,516 posts, read 4,503,185 times
Reputation: 1545
Quote:
Originally Posted by sickofnyc View Post
One can absoulutely convert to Judaism.
I guess so, but that doesn't make them Jewish.
Rate this post positively
 
Old 11-08-2013, 02:26 PM
 
Location: West Hollywood
2,281 posts, read 4,481,949 times
Reputation: 1851
Seriously, are we really playing this game here?

Touting back and fourth who's really a Jew with some people trying to suggest that a picky definition suggests Jews think they're better than everyone else?

Jews are an ethnic group (like Germans, Armenians, Russians) and Judaism is a religion. Using the term Jew can be a little tricky.

Unless they are a convert, a Jew living in Russia is not Russian. They are a Jew living in Russia (or Russian Jews). A Jew living in Iraq is not an Iraqi or an Arab. They are a Jew living in Iraq (classified as a Sephardi Jew).

In regards to mixing.... If a Jew marries or breeds with a non-Jew (which happens often in America and places like Russia) not everyone will consider the half Jew Jewish according to religious laws. Ethnically, it's a different story. A half black/half white child will show signs of both parents, but the darker genes are technically more dominant and often show off more than the white genes. Similarly, the half Jewish part of a mixed child will usually be more dominant and acknowledged, and many people still consider that person to be ethnically a Jew regardless.

What is so difficult to understand here?

Last edited by Nafster; 11-08-2013 at 02:37 PM..
Rate this post positively
 
Old 11-08-2013, 07:46 PM
 
4,516 posts, read 4,503,185 times
Reputation: 1545
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nafster View Post
Seriously, are we really playing this game here?

Touting back and fourth who's really a Jew with some people trying to suggest that a picky definition suggests Jews think they're better than everyone else?

Jews are an ethnic group (like Germans, Armenians, Russians) and Judaism is a religion. Using the term Jew can be a little tricky.

Unless they are a convert, a Jew living in Russia is not Russian. They are a Jew living in Russia (or Russian Jews). A Jew living in Iraq is not an Iraqi or an Arab. They are a Jew living in Iraq (classified as a Sephardi Jew).

In regards to mixing.... If a Jew marries or breeds with a non-Jew (which happens often in America and places like Russia) not everyone will consider the half Jew Jewish according to religious laws. Ethnically, it's a different story. A half black/half white child will show signs of both parents, but the darker genes are technically more dominant and often show off more than the white genes. Similarly, the half Jewish part of a mixed child will usually be more dominant and acknowledged, and many people still consider that person to be ethnically a Jew regardless.

What is so difficult to understand here?
Moses gave the Law to the Israelites directly from God, because the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were chosen by God to be a special and separate people. Why would someone choose to follow a religion meant for someone else? Due to their disobedience, God allowed the Israelites to be captured by the Assyrians, Babylonians and Romans, and it would be difficult to find someone of 'pure' Jewish blood, though they may exist.

Just as some Israelites chose to worship idols such as Baal, some have turned to Islam. The port of entry by Joshua into Canaan was the West Bank, where the Jews may be there to this day, thought perhaps Muslim.

While the Israelites were initially the only 'chosen' people of God, this changed with the birth of Jesus Christ, who brings all people, Jew and non-Jew alike, into the family of God by faith in Him.
Rate this post positively
 
Old 11-08-2013, 08:57 PM
 
23,646 posts, read 16,038,334 times
Reputation: 7419
Rate this post positively
 
Old 11-08-2013, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Allendale MI
2,525 posts, read 2,077,904 times
Reputation: 698
Quote:
Originally Posted by KRAMERCAT View Post
Moses gave the Law to the Israelites directly from God, because the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were chosen by God to be a special and separate people. Why would someone choose to follow a religion meant for someone else? Due to their disobedience, God allowed the Israelites to be captured by the Assyrians, Babylonians and Romans, and it would be difficult to find someone of 'pure' Jewish blood, though they may exist.

Just as some Israelites chose to worship idols such as Baal, some have turned to Islam. The port of entry by Joshua into Canaan was the West Bank, where the Jews may be there to this day, thought perhaps Muslim.

While the Israelites were initially the only 'chosen' people of God, this changed with the birth of Jesus Christ, who brings all people, Jew and non-Jew alike, into the family of God by faith in Him.
Actually gentiles were not allowed into the Christianity in till after years of debate.
Rate this post positively
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:37 PM.

© 2005-2022, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top