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Old 11-06-2013, 05:59 AM
 
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Christie was the incumbent, not a challenger.

Can Bots think at all?
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Old 11-06-2013, 06:10 AM
 
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I wouldn't count out Pennsylvania, Colorado, and Nevada just yet. There's been some movement in all of those states that suggest, with the right candidate, they could go either way.
Pennsylvania as a state hasn't supported the conservative presidential nominee in an election since 1988. In fact Democrats have won the state by less than 5% only once since 1992. It really isn't a swing state.

Colorado is trending more Democratic, but historically it has supported the conservative party presidential nominee, and Nevada is a swing state that has voted for the eventual President elect in the last 9 elections
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Old 11-06-2013, 06:13 AM
 
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Based on the current batch of likely candidates, it will be Christie or rand that comes out of the primaries. Christie is a neocon on the foreign front, and folks are tired of these wars. Rand will pull a lot of young folks who will work for him.
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Old 11-06-2013, 06:23 AM
 
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Christie is toeing the GOP right-wing line on gay rights and gay marriage.

I don't see him as a moderate on those particular issues.
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Old 11-06-2013, 06:25 AM
 
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Based on the current batch of likely candidates, it will be Christie or rand that comes out of the primaries. Christie is a neocon on the foreign front, and folks are tired of these wars. Rand will pull a lot of young folks who will work for him.
Neither one of those men will be President. Are conservatives really that out of touch with Americans that they can't see that those two men will never will never be President.

It is so obvious to me Chris Chrisitie comes across as a jerk, and a bully. He is not likable. He'd have to completely change his tone which is the ONLY reason some conservatives like him because he is a jerk and comes across that way.

If he moderates his tone, loses about 100lbs, and is seen as really working with Democrats he is finished with conservatives, and even if he does all of that at best he loses a closer Presidential election.

Rand Paul has zero shot at getting the nomination or of winning the Presidency.

I want conservatives to nominate Ted Cruz or whomever at the time best represents the insanity of conservative politics. I want conservatives to nominate the most conservative candidate they can find, so when that candidate gets crushed no more excuses about conservatives can't lose national elections.
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Old 11-06-2013, 09:13 AM
 
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His problem will be in going from a traditional blue state to the national scene where he will have trouble with the republican based.NJ isn't a real red state they just are like Detroit where they want change from fiscal problems of tax and spend traditional liberal democratic platform of appeasing so many special interest its compose of. He lokks more like Bill Clinton thna Ronald Reagan in appealing to demcrats from center to right of party like blue dogs.One only has to look at bill Clinton's early career to see why he concluded that you can not rule form the left in this country.
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Old 11-06-2013, 10:57 AM
 
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Christie tied for the Latino vote. That's huge. They should consider him, for sure.
Exit polls show Christie got 51 percent of the Hispanic vote. You can thank his vocal support for in-state tuition and legalization of undocumented immigrants for that.
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Old 11-06-2013, 11:01 AM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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Did Christie just moderate the tone of the national GOP.

No, he didn't. All politics is local. And a lot of local elections/politics is what makes-up the demographics of elected officials in the parties. It wasn't just GOP voters who elected Christie. There were a fair number of Democratic voters who cast their votes for him as well. The GOP, nationally, continues to slide into the "we hate America" stance and it's largely delegates who share those sentiments who choose national candidates in the primaries ... and I think it's obvious, at least at this point, Christie doesn't march to their off-beat message.
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Old 11-06-2013, 07:47 PM
 
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Seeing as how conservatives are for big government as much as liberals (with minor differences in which aspects of it they wish to grow) you arent really saying much.
You're overgeneralizing.
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Old 11-06-2013, 08:11 PM
 
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Always find it interesting when people who aren't GOP think they know how members of the party are going to vote.

I am a fan of Christie. I think he has enough appeal to win over the critical independents.
As a democrat I agree. I really like him. Unfortunately, he won't be the nominee because conservatives would never back him.
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