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Old 11-07-2013, 08:42 PM
 
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TPM is a respected source and not a conspiracy site like infowars.

An the topic, insurance companies are required to change their policies to conform to the minimum standards of the ACA. What companies have been slyly doing is offering alternative plans that are more expensive and not telling the policy holder that they might do better on the exchanges. They also don't mention subsidies that might be available.



As DC at the Ridge said (//www.city-data.com/forum/32129696-post34.html):
Sure TPM is a respected source for Obamabots, as much as Glen Beck is a respected source within the Tea Party.
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Old 11-07-2013, 08:44 PM
 
Location: South Bay
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There are 50 politically appointed insurance commissions who make state laws and regulate insurance. No two states have the same laws.

Some states had laws that made it illegal to sell seriously sub prime healthcare policies to naïve consumers who think all insurance is alike. Other states just let it rip.

Insurance companies hire lobbyists to protect their interests in DC and more importantly at the state level.
They also contribute to politicians/parties:

Insurance | OpenSecrets#
Obama Received $20 Million from Healthcare Industry in 2008 Campaign

https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/01/12-9

CGI contributed millions to Obama's campaign... and got nearly 500 million in return

Obamacare Website Company CGI Federal Contributed to Obama Campaign
Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/10/ob...Ftm4KhSpdpI.99

CGI Awarded $422M for Affordable Care Act: Video - Bloomberg

U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius is asking companies for financial donations to help implement President Barack Obama's healthcare overhaul, months before it is due to take effect.
Obama's Health Secretary Seeks Donations From Companies For Health Care Law

Why doesn't anyone "get it?"

The insurance industry wrote the damn ACA. Obama colluded with them to take all of us to the bank. It's the biggest example of crony capitalism in history. Anyone defending Obama or the insurance industry is defending the indefensible, and that's all there is to it.

They had the perfect scam, and Obama dropped the ball. If the website had rolled out without a flaw they would have been screwing people left and right, and convincing the masses that it was good for them.

SUCKERS! For those who voted with tunnel vision and personal greed, you made a deal with the devil and now we're all getting burned.
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Old 11-07-2013, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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We have some people planning on getting a divorce so they can afford the increase costs under ObamaCare. Puts a new twist on the "marriage penalty" doesn't it?

Obamacare Restrictions Lead Brooklyn Couple To Consider Divorce « CBS New York

“After Obamacare has rolled out, we realized that we would save thousands of dollars if we got divorced,” Aronowitz said. The issue for Aronowitz and Cassara is that together as family of only two, they make more than the $62,000 level to qualify for subsidies under the Affordable Care Act. But if they lived together unmarried, they would qualify for the subsidies and could literally save hundreds of dollars a month on their health care.
Did you read the whole article? They married solely for healthcare insurance. The Mrs. could include him on her employer's policy. Fast forward and they now believe they each might qualify for a subsidy if they divorce. Marriage means nothing more than convenience to them.

You might be surprised to know many seniors contemplate a divorce because they would each receive higher SS checks. You would be even more surprised to learn that many quietly divorce for this reason and continue to live together and husband and wife and did so to make ends meet or live a tad more comfortably.
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Old 11-07-2013, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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And then we have people being screwed over by ObamaCare, knowing that they are, and even though it's going to cost them $10,000 more a year.

They are even thinking about trying to lower their family income to qualify for a taxpayer subsidy... and they are still Obama pom-pom waivers.

San Francisco architect Lee Hammack says he and his wife, JoEllen Brothers, are “cradle Democrats.” They have donated to the liberal group Organizing for America and worked the phone banks a year ago for President Obama’s re-election. The couple — Lee, 60, and JoEllen, 59 — have been paying $550 a month for their health coverage — a plan that offers solid coverage, not one of the skimpy plans Obama has criticized. But recently, Kaiser informed them the plan would be canceled at the end of the year because it did not meet the requirements of the Affordable Care Act. The couple would need to find another one. The cost would be around double what they pay now, but the benefits would be worse.

I’ve been skeptical about media stories featuring those who claimed they would be worse off because their insurance policies were being canceled on account of the ACA.

So I tried to find flaws in what Hammack told me. I couldn’t find any.

Loyal Obama Supporters, Canceled by Obamacare - ProPublica

You can't make this stuff up, Obama'crats are hopeless slaves to government.

“We’re not changing our views because of this situation, but it hurt to hear Obama saying, just the other day, that if our plan has been dropped it’s because it wasn’t any good, and our costs would go up only slightly,” he said. “We’re gratified that the press is on the case, but frustrated that the stewards of the ACA don’t seem to have heard.”
What's unknown is why this plan was not grandfathered. I suspect it was because the lifetime cap on their former policy was limited. I thinks it beyond sucky that the fed and/or the state and/or their insurer failed to give them a heads up that this plan would not be grandfathered.
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Old 11-07-2013, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Anybody? Anybody?

Want to explain to me why we have threads where my complaints about the health insurers writing the laws are met with a flurry of comments about all the consumer protections.....

and yet here we have a thread dedicated to why the problems are due to the insurance companies.

Really people, get your stories straight.
Last week someone posted a link to a story about a 56 year old woman in Florida who was happy with her $55/month healthcare policy. Was she aware her policy did not cover the ER, hospitalization or treatment? Ignorance is bliss? Some states have laws that would have made it illegal to sell a junk policy like this . Florida was not one of them.
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Old 11-07-2013, 10:12 PM
 
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Implying that someone's opinion isn't valid simply because their beliefs don't match lock-step with yours is an attack.
Can't rep you again so---
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Old 11-08-2013, 05:16 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Sure TPM is a respected source for Obamabots, as much as Glen Beck is a respected source within the Tea Party.
Not even close. TPM posts stories that are verifiable fact while Beck posts wild theories, conjecture, and opinions which often are easily debunked.
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Old 11-08-2013, 05:28 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Last week someone posted a link to a story about a 56 year old woman in Florida who was happy with her $55/month healthcare policy. Was she aware her policy did not cover the ER, hospitalization or treatment? Ignorance is bliss? Some states have laws that would have made it illegal to sell a junk policy like this . Florida was not one of them.
What she had was NOT a health insurance policy and they aren't sold as such...they're advertised and sold as supplements.

What she did was little different than buying a gas enhancer when she needed transportation.
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Old 11-08-2013, 05:43 AM
 
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Source? Especially coming from you.....a source is definitely needed.
Do you have an issue with my credibility? The one thing I've never done is to post lies on this site. If you've got an issue with me, do me a favor, block my posts. Other than that you can take a hike.

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Old 11-08-2013, 05:53 AM
 
Location: Hiding from Antifa!
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3% of plans are expected to be cancelled. The same folk who have spend 3.5 years trying to repeal it have turned this into a non-stop outrage. Cruz would have his audiences believe that everyone is impacted by a cancelled policy.

Where's the outrage that before ACA, 15% of the population is uninsured?

Where's the outrage that before ACA,25% of U.S. citizens and legal workers in Texas are uninsured?
But, how many people are served by the 3% of plans that are affected? I'll bet it's not 3% of the population. That would be a miracle.
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