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Old 11-07-2013, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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"The Obama administration has found a way to give unions relief from an Obamacare tax nearly three weeks after Republicans rejected a Democratic push to include the labor carve-out in the latest budget deal. The Department of Health and Human Services quietly released a final rule last week that includes an intention to exempt some union insurance plans from a substantial new tax known as the reinsurance fee. As part of Obamacare, the tax was supposed to be levied against all insurance plans to share the risk for insurers taking on the sickest patients next year. Deep into a rule governing Obamacare issued last week, HHS included language that the administration will propose exempting “certain self-insured, self-administered plans” from the law's reinsurance fee in 2015 and 2016, Kaiser Health News first reported Wednesday."

Health and Human Services quietly giving unions Obamacare fix | WashingtonExaminer.com

Conservatives and RINO politicians oppose playing favorites with the unions but I didn't hear any of them yelling when the businesses of 50 or more got a pass, either, only that they wanted everyone to get a pass. Let's face it, everytime they exempt businesses and special people it means everyone else is going to have to eventually pick up the slack, monetarily speaking. Did Obama, Reid or Pelosi mention any of this union stuff in their little speeches over the last 2 weeks? Did anyone ask Sebelius about it when she was testifying (I honestly don't know) before Congress?
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Old 11-07-2013, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Everyone except individuals are getting exempt from having to pay for Obamacare.

The working taxpayer will foot the entire bill.
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Old 11-07-2013, 09:54 AM
 
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That's how liberals play... because it reflects who they really are...
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Old 11-07-2013, 09:57 AM
 
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Leftists are criminals who use the government as their gun to rob taxpayers.
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Old 11-07-2013, 10:02 AM
 
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Got to keep their donors and voting base happy and foist the rest of this abortion on the working class.

So how is that hope and change working out so far?
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Old 11-07-2013, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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They did the very same thing after the crash in 2008.
One by one though the people responsible got off the hook.

Bernie Madoff ended up paying for all their crimes by being thrown in jail.


This is no different. Quietly the big money interests will be let off the hook.
It's all about votes and staying in office people.
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Old 11-07-2013, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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This is all about the "reinsurance fee" which has nothing in particular to do with labor unions, despite the demands of the unions. As I understand it, it's nothing more than a tax on self-funded and administered insurance plans that pays for a subsidy to those plans. While self funding of healthcare benefits is widespread, few employers self- administer their plans.

The exemption being discussed here is in the proposed state- not a done deal.

Should this progress to a final ruling stage, it will not exempt labor unions from having to comply with ACA. Rather it will eliminate or delay a $ 65 employee head tax on self-insured/administered healthcare plans and allow for subsidies. Yeah, I know- clear as mud.
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Old 11-07-2013, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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"The Obama administration has found a way to give unions relief from an Obamacare tax nearly three weeks after Republicans rejected a Democratic push to include the labor carve-out in the latest budget deal. The Department of Health and Human Services quietly released a final rule last week that includes an intention to exempt some union insurance plans from a substantial new tax known as the reinsurance fee. As part of Obamacare, the tax was supposed to be levied against all insurance plans to share the risk for insurers taking on the sickest patients next year. Deep into a rule governing Obamacare issued last week, HHS included language that the administration will propose exempting “certain self-insured, self-administered plans” from the law's reinsurance fee in 2015 and 2016, Kaiser Health News first reported Wednesday."

Health and Human Services quietly giving unions Obamacare fix | WashingtonExaminer.com

Conservatives and RINO politicians oppose playing favorites with the unions but I didn't hear any of them yelling when the businesses of 50 or more got a pass, either, only that they wanted everyone to get a pass. Let's face it, everytime they exempt businesses and special people it means everyone else is going to have to eventually pick up the slack, monetarily speaking. Did Obama, Reid or Pelosi mention any of this union stuff in their little speeches over the last 2 weeks? Did anyone ask Sebelius about it when she was testifying (I honestly don't know) before Congress?

You know, it's funny how Obamacare is the "law of the land", and "can't be touched" and that the Dems shut down the government rather than let fixes to bad legislation be addressed. But now it's fine for them to ignore the law exempt their special needs friends. Crony capitalism at it's finest.
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Old 11-07-2013, 10:36 AM
 
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"The Obama administration has found a way to give unions relief from an Obamacare tax nearly three weeks after Republicans rejected a Democratic push to include the labor carve-out in the latest budget deal. The Department of Health and Human Services quietly released a final rule last week that includes an intention to exempt some union insurance plans from a substantial new tax known as the reinsurance fee. As part of Obamacare, the tax was supposed to be levied against all insurance plans to share the risk for insurers taking on the sickest patients next year. Deep into a rule governing Obamacare issued last week, HHS included language that the administration will propose exempting “certain self-insured, self-administered plans” from the law's reinsurance fee in 2015 and 2016, Kaiser Health News first reported Wednesday."

Health and Human Services quietly giving unions Obamacare fix | WashingtonExaminer.com

Conservatives and RINO politicians oppose playing favorites with the unions but I didn't hear any of them yelling when the businesses of 50 or more got a pass, either, only that they wanted everyone to get a pass. Let's face it, everytime they exempt businesses andsome inspecial people it means everyone else is going to have to eventually pick up the slack, monetarily speaking. Did Obama, Reid or Pelosi mention any of this union stuff in their little speeches over the last 2 weeks? Did anyone ask Sebelius about it when she was testifying (I honestly don't know) before Congress?
This sounds like typical CINO whining. Are there any reasons for doing this? I don't know. The post only whines about Obama and Reid. Go dig up some real information instead of just whining and try again. Real conservatives make better arguments.
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Old 11-07-2013, 10:59 AM
 
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This is all about the "reinsurance fee" which has nothing in particular to do with labor unions, despite the demands of the unions. As I understand it, it's nothing more than a tax on self-funded and administered insurance plans that pays for a subsidy to those plans. While self funding of healthcare benefits is widespread, few employers self- administer their plans.

The exemption being discussed here is in the proposed state- not a done deal.

Should this progress to a final ruling stage, it will not exempt labor unions from having to comply with ACA. Rather it will eliminate or delay a $ 65 employee head tax on self-insured/administered healthcare plans and allow for subsidies. Yeah, I know- clear as mud.
So another revenue source to pay for the program is reduced or eliminated while those who buy individual policies continue to be screwed.
BTW plenty of unions self insure so now they won't be paying their fair share coupled on top of the year waiver for their policies to be ACA compliant.
Obama whored out his plan to those who gave him the cash.
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