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Old 11-10-2013, 05:27 AM
 
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You can in PA however their food sales have to be less that 20% of their gross.
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Old 11-10-2013, 05:40 AM
 
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Banning smoking in bars ensures freedom and a nicer environment.
That's a twisted view of freedom. Freedom by it's very definition is being able to make your own choices. Without a ban you have the freedom to choose what establishments you want to enter. If you want to go somewhere that allows smoking you go there, if you want to go somewhere that doesn't allow smoking you go there. The owner of that establishment also has the freedom to establish what smoking rules they want. That's freedom.
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Old 11-10-2013, 05:50 AM
 
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I just wish there would be a little more honesty with the bans. It stinks and that`s the reason for the smoking bans and I`m ok with that. As a retired factory worker and an ex smoker I thought it was ridiculous when they tried to outlaw smoking in all bars even places where there was no food being served. Consider this: A smoker owns the bar, the bartenders and most of the customers smoke and here in Pa. they tried to ban smoking in places like this. Sanity carried the day and these places were allowed to stay in business. Banning smoking in places like this would have killed the business for sure.
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Old 11-10-2013, 08:32 AM
 
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You can smoke at the private bars located in the basements of the democrat politicians mansions. However, you have to bribe them with something of value to get in.
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Old 11-10-2013, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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That's a twisted view of freedom. Freedom by it's very definition is being able to make your own choices. Without a ban you have the freedom to choose what establishments you want to enter. If you want to go somewhere that allows smoking you go there, if you want to go somewhere that doesn't allow smoking you go there. The owner of that establishment also has the freedom to establish what smoking rules they want. That's freedom.
The right to not be subjected to smoke in a place of business, is vastly more important than the right to smoke.

The right of business owners isn't always paramount. Do you think airlines should allow their pilots to have a few beers while flying, in the name of freedom?

Some smokers are playing the poor little victim card, a new minority.
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Old 11-10-2013, 10:58 AM
 
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The right to not be subjected to smoke in a place of business, is vastly more important than the right to smoke.
You are not being subjected to anything, if you choose to enter an establishment that allows smoking you have no one to blame but yourself. If you don't have the maturity or are not responsible enough to make that decision for yourself you don't belong in a bar to begin with.

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Do you think airlines should allow their pilots to have a few beers while flying, in the name of freedom?
That's a very poor analogy, it's quite clear that a drunk pilot poses an unavoidable risk to the general public. If you want to make a comparison with a pilot it would be similar to banning smoking in places like a courthouse where the exposure to the general public would be unavoidable. We're not discussing courthouses though, we're discussing bars where you have the option to simply not enter the door.
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Old 11-10-2013, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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You are not being subjected to anything, if you choose to enter an establishment that allows smoking you have no one to blame but yourself. If you don't have the maturity or are not responsible enough to make that decision for yourself you don't belong in a bar to begin with.



That's a very poor analogy, it's quite clear that a drunk pilot poses an unavoidable risk to the general public. If you want to make a comparison with a pilot it would be similar to banning smoking in places like a courthouse where the exposure to the general public would be unavoidable. We're not discussing courthouses though, we're discussing bars where you have the option to simply not enter the door.
Who cares about smokers? I don't and I'm sick of having to make "mature decisions" because of someone's nasty little habit. Some freedoms are worth s**t, but some people just don't get that.

It's a good analogy. It's health and safety first and foremost. Just because smoking doesn't cause obvious immediate problems, doesn't mean it's not a risk.
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Old 11-10-2013, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I miss the good ole 80's, the last decade when you could light up a cig after having dinner or while having some mixed drinks at a club. It seems like smoking bans have gone over the top, and the once proud American smokers ( which undoubtely gave males that macho attitude, and gave women that sexy, enticing look) are now treated like lepers. My dad has even told me about the time when ashtrays were available inside hospital rooms (ok, I agree this needed to be stopped).

So, if you live or know an area where smoking is still not seen as a vicious and disgusting act, please tell us.
You can smoke in bars in Florida, but not in restaurants (unless it is an outdoors restaurant).
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Old 11-10-2013, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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It's health and safety first and foremost.
That is a flat out lie. When they can ban smoking in public parks, but allow charcoal barbeques, one would have to be a complete idiot, or a deliberate liar, to believe that it has anything to do with "health and safety." It is about fascist control, nothing more.
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Old 11-10-2013, 01:41 PM
 
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I miss the good ole 80's, the last decade when you could light up a cig after having dinner or while having some mixed drinks at a club. It seems like smoking bans have gone over the top, and the once proud American smokers ( which undoubtely gave males that macho attitude, and gave women that sexy, enticing look) are now treated like lepers. My dad has even told me about the time when ashtrays were available inside hospital rooms (ok, I agree this needed to be stopped).

So, if you live or know an area where smoking is still not seen as a vicious and disgusting act, please tell us.
You can smoke in bars in Georgia or anyplace that is 21 and over.
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