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Old 11-12-2013, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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The ACA will help most companies , when I was CO I would have loved to get out of the insurance business.
How will it help? The companies who carry traditional insurance are seeing rates rise and the companies that didn't offer coverage have a new expense. The laws are so complex benefit managers are hiring consultants to navigate the law.

A flat payroll tax with no benefit management would help companies.
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Old 11-12-2013, 09:25 PM
 
Location: State of Superior
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How will it help? The companies who carry traditional insurance are seeing rates rise and the companies that didn't offer coverage have a new expense. The laws are so complex benefit managers are hiring consultants to navigate the law.

A flat payroll tax with no benefit management would help companies.
You have no idea how hard it was to find an insurance co. That would take on a small business. We never did succeed
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Old 11-12-2013, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Dublin, CA
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Actually , I like Socialized medicine , the idea that everyone gets proper healthcare is a good thing. There are always people that seem to fall through the cracks , even with the greatest intentions . Regardless of your politics I would find it hard to beleave that you would be against healthcare. As a civilized country we must put the first foot forward to assist the millions who do not have coverage, because they can not afford

Considering the extream spread in wealth these days, the wise person should be working to help out those who can lest afford it. It's a small group that can keep a Doctor on retainer. I see this in my own extended faimly . There is no doubt an arrangement as such will lead to a better quality of life
First you jam me for saying "socialized medicine." Then you basically admit this is what it is. Ok, so you like it? Great YOU pay for it. You aren't giving every spare dime of your money, living in a cardboard box, etc so people can have healthcare. And until you do, you are liar and hypocrite. When you start paying out thousands of dollars of your own money, above and beyond the basic tax rate, then come to me and talk about "quality of life."

You are a typical liberal/socialist. I want the world, I want everything. So long as someone else pays for it. And the moment you have to pay? The world stops spinning. That is what is happening right now in the US. All of these liberals wanted socialized medical programs, so long as someone else paid for it. Remember Obama and "the rich pay their fair share." Now that these liberals have found out they have to pay for it, they are complaining and moaning.
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Old 11-12-2013, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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You have no idea how hard it was to find an insurance co. That would take on a small business. We never did succeed
In that respect, it might help.
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Old 11-13-2013, 04:04 AM
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Location: Florida
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About ten years ago I had a great doctor - really top notch. But then I received a notice that he was moving out of state, and that I would have to find a new doctor. No one, except for the doctor, is responsible for the decisions that the doctor makes. No one, except for the insurance company, is responsible for the decisions that the insurance company makes. Even if right-wing rhetoric cannot admit these facts.
Obama knowingly lied, period. Not only on this, but other things as well. Refusing to hold politicians accountable for dishonesty and or bad policies simply because we like their party is harmful to America.
Committing a deception yourself to try to defend your fragile perspective doesn't lend your comments credibility - quite the opposite. The president made a promise that ACA wouldn't force people to switch doctors, that ACA wouldn't force people to switch insurance. What you evidently cannot bring yourself to admit is that that is true. Doctors and insurers should have changed their offerings to comply with ACA. Instead they made the decisions they made, to stop accepting insurance, to stop offering insurance. That's on them, not matter how many times you try to spew vacuous nonsense to the contrary.

Gotta love how egoistic avarice tries to defend its claptrap by referring to egoistic avarice. Their greed is justified by how the greed others commit affects them. Right-wing circular reasoning to the max, eh?

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But there is always an underlying factor that caused your doctor to move out of state?
It was ten years ago and I don't remember the exact reason he gave. I seem to recall that it was because he wanted to move closer to his aging parents. What's your point?
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