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Old 11-12-2013, 08:51 PM
 
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'The Israeli government has been announcing major settlement expansions apace throughout the peace talks with the Palestinians, each time gambling that the Palestinians would complain but ultimately look the other way to keep the process going. Today, it looks like they went too far.

After getting away with several expansions of a few thousand settlement units, Israel was confirmed today to be making plans for an expansion of nearly 24,000 additional units across the occupied West Bank, with about 4,000 of those in East Jerusalem.

Within hours, the US State Department issued a warning of “deep concern” about the plan, and Palestinian officials walked out of the peace talks, suggesting their involvement may have come to an end.

Israel Announces Then Halts Plan for 24,000 New Settlement Homes -- News from Antiwar.com
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Old 11-12-2013, 10:28 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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'The Israeli government has been announcing major settlement expansions apace throughout the peace talks with the Palestinians, each time gambling that the Palestinians would complain but ultimately look the other way to keep the process going. Today, it looks like they went too far.

After getting away with several expansions of a few thousand settlement units, Israel was confirmed today to be making plans for an expansion of nearly 24,000 additional units across the occupied West Bank, with about 4,000 of those in East Jerusalem.

Within hours, the US State Department issued a warning of “deep concern” about the plan, and Palestinian officials walked out of the peace talks, suggesting their involvement may have come to an end.

Israel Announces Then Halts Plan for 24,000 New Settlement Homes -- News from Antiwar.com

Well.....No.

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According to Peace Now, the total number of technical plans is
23,786, of which 4,000 are in east Jerusalem and 19,786 are in the West Bank.
Peace Now spokesman Lior Amihai said the level of planning was unusual, but
cautioned that it would be years before any building could actually
take place
.


These planning tenders do not mean imminent
construction
,” Peace Now said. “With tenders for construction, we can
expect plans to be implemented on the ground imminently.


Netanyahu instructs housing minister to 'reconsider' plans for 24,000 units beyond Green Line | JPost | Israel News
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Old 11-13-2013, 08:42 AM
 
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One question:

Would Palestinians be able to live in one of those houses, if they weren't entrenched in conflict, as some seem capable of doing within Jerusalem itself?

Palestinians Again Boycott East Jerusalem Elections - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East
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Old 11-13-2013, 06:02 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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One question:

Would Palestinians be able to live in one of those houses, if they weren't entrenched in conflict, as some seem capable of doing within Jerusalem itself?
Then they would be Israeli Arabs and the answer would be yes and they would be like all the Arabs who live in Israel now.

This is Ramallah and what numerous sites depict as a camp or ghetto to the world.



Looks no different than a settlement except no Jews are allowed to live there.
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Old 11-13-2013, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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No crocodile tears here. The Arab rejectionist had there chances many times. And when they Agreed to Resolution 242 and the Oslo's, they said screw it because it wouldn't bring them to the 1948 lines. When the Palestinians want peace with their Jewish neighbors, they will have some land. If not, tough luck.
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Old 08-28-2014, 01:18 AM
 
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One question:

Would Palestinians be able to live in one of those houses, if they weren't entrenched in conflict, as some seem capable of doing within Jerusalem itself?

Palestinians Again Boycott East Jerusalem Elections - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East
I'm originally from the West Bank- Ramallah. No, we aren't allowed to live in any settlements. Those are for Jews only and if any Palestinian even walks to close to one without a permit to work in them they will be arrested or shot. Likewise, many of the roads connecting to the settlements are for Jews only. If we drive on the wrong roads(though they are clearly marked) you risk arrest or being killed.

lol Israel will never change this because they pride themselves on being a Jewish state and would never allow a bi-national state. Don't believe the propaganda from the other poster.
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Old 08-28-2014, 01:43 AM
 
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I'm originally from the West Bank- Ramallah. No, we aren't allowed to live in any settlements. Those are for Jews only and if any Palestinian even walks to close to one without a permit to work in them they will be arrested or shot. Likewise, many of the roads connecting to the settlements are for Jews only. If we drive on the wrong roads(though they are clearly marked) you risk arrest or being killed.

lol Israel will never change this because they pride themselves on being a Jewish state and would never allow a bi-national state. Don't believe the propaganda from the other poster.
Actually, it's you I don't believe.

Israel does not summarily execute people for driving on the wrong road. That's ridiculous.

If you want to actually make a point and influence people, try dialing the histrionics back a bit next time.

You also might want to avoid such obvious misrepresentation. The roads you speak of are for Israeli citizens, not for "Jews only", and were only put into place as a response to terrorist attacks, not as some kind of apartheid/segregation thing.
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Old 08-28-2014, 01:48 AM
 
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I'm originally from the West Bank- Ramallah. No, we aren't allowed to live in any settlements. Those are for Jews only and if any Palestinian even walks to close to one without a permit to work in them they will be arrested or shot. Likewise, many of the roads connecting to the settlements are for Jews only. If we drive on the wrong roads(though they are clearly marked) you risk arrest or being killed.

lol Israel will never change this because they pride themselves on being a Jewish state and would never allow a bi-national state. Don't believe the propaganda from the other poster.
More nonsense.
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Old 08-28-2014, 10:31 AM
 
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I'm originally from the West Bank- Ramallah. No, we aren't allowed to live in any settlements. Those are for Jews only and if any Palestinian even walks to close to one without a permit to work in them they will be arrested or shot. Likewise, many of the roads connecting to the settlements are for Jews only. If we drive on the wrong roads(though they are clearly marked) you risk arrest or being killed.

lol Israel will never change this because they pride themselves on being a Jewish state and would never allow a bi-national state. Don't believe the propaganda from the other poster.
An Israeli Arab citizen can live anywhere they want in Israel including those settlements. A Palestinian Arab who does not hold Israeli citizenship can't.
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Old 08-28-2014, 11:46 AM
 
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Israeli homes built in Israel...who'da thunk it?
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