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Old 11-13-2013, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Right... which left people free to shop around for plans that DID cover cancer and provide the best doctors.

But "Freedom" and "Choice" are specifically forbidden by Obamacare.

Apparently to Democrats, forcing everyone into identical policies, is more important that saving a few dying cancer patients.
Is that a joke? Shop around? How about try to find a company that would write an individual policy, other than catastrophic policies? Insurance companies stopped covering women over 40 and anyone else that ever saw a doctor or had a prescription with individual policies. There was no marketplace. Why do you think people wanted health care reform in the first place, starting like about 20 years ago? There has not been any freedom or choice regarding decent coverage for individuals for years.

 
Old 11-13-2013, 04:53 PM
 
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Sociopath right wingers.
And what should we call you nitwits on the left for this mess - The Obamacare Exchange Scorecard: Around 100,000 Enrollees And Five Million Cancellations - Forbes

That's 5,000,000 million people losing their healthcare.

Thank you Democrats for this giant clusterfrack.
 
Old 11-13-2013, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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And what should we call you nitwits on the left for this mess - The Obamacare Exchange Scorecard: Around 100,000 Enrollees And Five Million Cancellations - Forbes

That's 5,000,000 million people losing their healthcare.

Thank you Democrats for this giant clusterfrack.
40% of those individual plans were junk-stuff you see advertised on late night TV and illegal in some states bought by people who thought all insurance was the same.

I am sorry that people are outraged that there may be a higher price tag associated with substantially better benefits. What the heck were these folks going to do if they were diagnosed with Cancer and learned that their insurance company either would not cover a dime of it or capped their pay out at no more than $1-5,000 a year.
 
Old 11-13-2013, 05:33 PM
 
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you dont decide for me how arrogant of you


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40% of those individual plans were junk-stuff you see advertised on late night TV and illegal in some states bought by people who thought all insurance was the same.

I am sorry that people are outraged that there may be a higher price tag associated with substantially better benefits. What the heck were these folks going to do if they were diagnosed with Cancer and learned that their insurance company either would not cover a dime of it or capped their pay out at no more than $1-5,000 a year.
 
Old 11-13-2013, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Obamacare's one-size-fits-all approach, deprives many seriously-ill patients of the specialist doctors they need to survive. Specialists they had full access to before Obama decided to "help" them with this new scheme - and penalize them if they didn't obey.

In the meantime, the plans those patients used to have, that provided the specialists they needed, have been cancelled since the Obama administration ruled they didn't meet Obamacare's mandatory "standards".

As Obama administration officials have said, "Sometimes when you want to make an omelet, you have to crack a few eggs."

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Death by Obamacare: ‘Reform’ reams cancer patients | New York Post

Death by Obamacare: ACA "reform" reams cancer patients

By Robert Goldberg
November 12, 2013 | 12:44am

ObamaCare is supposed to be a huge boon for anyone with a pre-existing condition. Count that another promise broken: It’s actually denying care because of pre-existing conditions. Millions of Americans with cancer and other chronic illnesses will wind up paying more for lifesaving care, if they can get it all.

To keep costs down, the White House designed ObamaCare plans as cut-rate HMOs. The low profit margins have forced insurers to downsize the number of doctors and hospitals in their networks — and to slash what they cover for out-of-network treatment.

So most ObamaCare plans don’t include the vast majority of the best cancer doctors and cancer centers. That’s a huge problem for these patients. As Dr. Scott Gottlieb, a former Medicare official, writes: “Cancer patients often need the help of specialized doctors and cancer institutions that won’t make it into many of these cheapened networks.”

All across the country, leading cancer centers — including New York’s Memorial Sloan Kettering — are excluded by the largest plans. In Washington state, the largest exchange plans exclude world-class cancer care for kids such as the Seattle Cancer Care Alliance. California’s state-of-the-art Cedars-Sinai cancer center isn’t in any ObamaCare plan. Only a few plans include the Mayo Clinic.

And if you want a doctor outside such networks, you’ll generally have to pay the full cost of care.
Well. That kills the argument that was being made the last couple of weeks about why people NEEDED the ACA. "What if you get cancer! What if you have a heart attack?!?!"

Welp, I guess we can cross cancer off that list. So now, we should get the ACA crap because we might have a heart attack, (until they take that care away, as well), and someone, somewhere, is too cheap to pay for their own contraceptives. GREAT PLAN!
 
Old 11-13-2013, 05:37 PM
 
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And what should we call you nitwits on the left for this mess - The Obamacare Exchange Scorecard: Around 100,000 Enrollees And Five Million Cancellations - Forbes

That's 5,000,000 million people losing their healthcare.

Thank you Democrats for this giant clusterfrack.

I will agree with you that millions have had their insurance cancelled and premiums raised but I wonder why the Tea Party types are so incensed since so many are sucking at the gubbermint trough of Medicare, Tricare, and VA and haven't seen any change to their health care.
 
Old 11-13-2013, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Camberville
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Well. That kills the argument that was being made the last couple of weeks about why people NEEDED the ACA. "What if you get cancer! What if you have a heart attack?!?!"

Welp, I guess we can cross cancer off that list. So now, we should get the ACA crap because we might have a heart attack, and someone, somewhere, is to cheap to pay for their own contraceptives. GREAT PLAN!
Spin spin spin spin. Guess how many hospitals would have treated me 4 months before my stage 4 diagnosis? None, because I was uninsured in an entry level job right out of college and not yet living in Massachusetts (where MassHealth would have saved my life like dozens of friends who DID find themselves uninsured with late stage cancer).

My cancer hospital is one of the best in the world (you might have heard of it - a little place called Dana-Farber) and along with its cross-town competition (also in the top 5 for cancer hospitals in the US) Mass General Hospital have BOTH taken MassHealth for years.

But again- how is this any different than an insurance company? Mine would only allow me to go to certain specialists, denied more effective treatments due to cost, denied fertility saving measures that are standard for many insurance companies, and dropped my onco-psych right around the end of treatment. Luckily, she was able to transition me to a new practitioner.

And even more luckily, they dropped HER and not ME.
 
Old 11-13-2013, 05:54 PM
 
Location: texas
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You got shut down in another thread with ridiculous argument of yours.. All those programs you mentioned were paid into by paying taxes. They now want what they paid into.

You jackass, Tricare is for military retirees. VA is for military people that were injured while serving. Medicare is paid into by being taxed.

Try a new argument, that one doesn't wash.
there are no new arguments that is why ACA threads are dying a merciful death.
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