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Old 11-15-2013, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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He's meeting with the insurance companies and more than likely they will bend to his demands, just like they were told to keep quiet about Obamacare. He is going to tell them what they need to do to fix the problem - the problem that isn't his, but the one that the insurance companies created. I would like to hear that the insurance companies refused to bend and then he can announce how he offered them a solution to their problem but they were uncooperative, just like the republicans.
At this point, he really is relying upon the insurance companies' good graces. That's going to be a problem for Obama, especially after he spent the last couple of weeks blaming and publicly crying out against these same insurance companies. As is his usual modus operandi, he decided to blame the failure of his law on the insurance companies. Now he's basically asking these same companies to save him. This should be interesting.

 
Old 11-15-2013, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Dublin, CA
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For sure. Good policies will cost more than the medieval policies that people will lose.
And so long as you get yours for free and/or a reduced rate, right? Paid for by someone else, you could care less.
 
Old 11-15-2013, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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How much do you pay for health insurance? Why did you leave that amount out of your response?

I pay $125.00 for mine. And that's only because I cover one dependent. If I was only covering myself, I'd pay nothing.
My "cable" bill is more than both of those amounts.

Where do people who pay nothing for their health insurance fall on your spectrum?

Why do you think that it is any more honest to use a sample of one to prove that someone else lied?
Is your health insurance through your employer and do they contribute to your monthly premium? What about people who work part-time, are self-employed or don't have an employer that offers health coverage but doesn't contribute towards the cost, or contributes towards the cost an employee pays? If you have a policy through your employer (and they contribute toward the cost), did you check out what the same policy would cost you under the exchange?

There is no such thing as "free" health coverage. Either a company is paying for it or the taxpayers are.
 
Old 11-15-2013, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Only 39 Dems went along with the poison pill Upton bill. Pubs had predicted (hoped) more than 60 would defect. It is clearly going nowhere. It's up to the insurers now. And they have very little to gain by renewing those policies.
 
Old 11-15-2013, 11:55 AM
 
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Only 39 Dems went along with the poison pill Upton bill. Pubs had predicted (hoped) more than 60 would defect. It is clearly going nowhere. It's up to the insurers now. And they have very little to gain by renewing those policies.
39 Defections? Wow. Glad to see growing bipartisan opposition to the debacle that is the ACA.
 
Old 11-15-2013, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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39 Defections? Wow. Glad to see growing bipartisan opposition to the debacle that is the ACA.
That's my reaction. I like the qualifier of 'only'. I read it as 39 Dems have broken with Obama and his failure of a law.
 
Old 11-15-2013, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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39 Defections? Wow. Glad to see growing bipartisan opposition to the debacle that is the ACA.
LOL. Way to spin it..
 
Old 11-15-2013, 11:59 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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39 Defections? Wow. Glad to see growing bipartisan opposition to the debacle that is the ACA.
Excellent! ZERO Republicans voted for Obamacare. 39 Dems voted to neuter it.
 
Old 11-15-2013, 11:59 AM
 
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That's my reaction. I like the qualifier of 'only'. I read it as 39 Dems have broken with Obama and his failure of a law.
Once more panic sets in on December 1st when the website still isn't working, that 39 is going to mushroom.

I'll take a 261 vote repudiation of the bill today.

I wonder if Harry Reid will let Landreu's bill get a vote in the Senate?
 
Old 11-15-2013, 12:00 PM
 
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Actually, you are quite wrong. He said they "could" continue to offer the plans if they "want" to only through 2014.. So, what provider is going to revamp their entire forecast model in 2 months that took them 3 years to prepare for.. It is financially impossible to handle this scenario unless the administration ponies up a ton of cash to cover losses that are not due in part by the improper forecast of the providers but the result of lies by Chief Moonbat.. Toast!
The ACA Law already has that "program to cover losses" - it's called the "Risk Corridor". Final rules were written for the "Risk Corridor" in 2012, but HHS/CMS informed Insurance companies yesterday that they will write another "rule" as a payoff to Insurance companies. They consider this "Government Money" and ignore the fact that "Government Money" actually comes from US Taxpayers. Cute.

[quote]The administration’s letter recognizes that this change in policy may well result in insurers who issue 2014 compliant policies covering a more expensive population than they anticipated when they set their rates for 2014. It suggests that the risk corridor program will be adjusted to ameliorate these changes. The risk corridor program is one of the three premium stabilization programs established by the ACA, and specifically allows qualified health plan issuers whose allowable costs exceed their premium revenues by certain percentages to receive assistance from the federal government. (QHP issuers whose premium revenues exceed their allowable costs contribute to the program.)
The risk corridor program regulations in place would already partially compensate QHP issuers that end up with a significantly more expensive risk pool than they had bargained for, but the CCIIO letter suggests that this compensation may become more generous. The effect of this, of course, is to shift indirectly the cost of the transition from individuals whose coverage is not being renewed to the federal government. Healthaffairs.org
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