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Old 11-13-2013, 06:58 AM
 
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Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) has decided to co-sponsor legislation from Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) that would require insurance companies to continue offering their existing health care plans, becoming the most high-profile non-red state Democrat to buck party lines on the Affordable Care Act.

Just one of many...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4261096.html

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Old 11-13-2013, 01:19 PM
 
Location: South Bay
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Default Keeping the Affordable Care Act Promise Act

Here we go! Democrats are in a panic to protect their voter base by introducing legislation to "fix" what they voted for, before knowing what was in it.

S.1642

Latest Title: Keeping the Affordable Care Act Promise Act
Sponsor: Sen Landrieu, Mary L. [LA] (introduced 11/4/2013) Cosponsors (5)
Latest Major Action: 11/4/2013 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance. COSPONSORS(5), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]:
Sen Feinstein, Dianne [CA] - 11/12/2013
Sen Hagan, Kay [NC] - 11/7/2013
Sen Manchin, Joe, III [WV] - 11/4/2013
Sen Merkley, Jeff [OR] - 11/12/2013
Sen Pryor, Mark L. [AR] - 11/7/2013

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...p?n=BSS;c=113|

Projected by the White House:

Professor Gruber claims that 80 percent of the population, mostly people with employer-provided health insurance, is unaffected and will not lose their current health insurance.This is a blatant falsehood. The only people who are unaffected are those whose plans will be "grandfathered" into Obamacare’s brave new world.

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Old 11-13-2013, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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But...But...but...
I thought the PPACA was a bill passed by the Senate and House, and signed by the President, and is therefore inviolate, can't be changed!
That's what a lot of people here have been saying! "Get used to it, it is the law and can't be changed now!"
or something similar...
Oh, right...how silly of me!
the REPUGNICANS can't change it, but the DEMONCRAPS can to protect their chances for re-election, and the President can change it by Executive Order or by regulatory chicanery.
RIGHT! GOT IT!
 
Old 11-13-2013, 02:04 PM
 
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Obama built that! And like everything else he has touched it's a DUD
 
Old 11-13-2013, 02:06 PM
 
Location: The South
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Like Nancy said, you got to approve it first, then read it.
 
Old 11-13-2013, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Any law passed by one Congress can be repealed and replaced by the next Congress. Barack's only legacy will be a rest area on some desolate Illinois highway by the time he is booted from office.
 
Old 11-13-2013, 02:18 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Default What about the people who make too little to qualify for subsidies but too much for Medicaid?

Here's an interesting twist on Obamacare in some states - let's use Florida. If a single person makes $11,500 a year their insurance cost would be $230 a year. But if you somehow end up making only $11,400 your insurance costs would $2,524 a year. Seems that the bill that "had be passed to know what was in it" wasn't revised when the Supreme Court ruled that the federal government couldn't force the states to expand Medicaid. The result is that anyone making less than 100% of the poverty rate doesn't qualify for subsidies, especially if they are childless. Anyone want to take a guess at how many of those uninsured this behemoth of a law was passed to benefit fall in this category? My guess is that it was a huge portion, so the uninsured will remain uninsured, because someone who makes less than $1,000 a month can hardly afford over $200 a month to pay for insurance with a deducible that is over half their annual pay.

The real kicker of course, is millions of the previously insured have now lost their insurance to accomplish this.



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Some states are not expanding their Medicaid programs starting January 1, 2014. In these states, some people with limited incomes may have fewer coverage options.
  • If you live in a state that isn’t expanding Medicaid you may not qualify for either Medicaid or reduced costs on a private insurance plan. It will depend on where your income falls.
  • However, the Medicaid program provides health coverage to millions of lower-income individuals and families today. Even if your state doesn’t expand Medicaid coverage, you should still apply. You may qualify under your state’s existing rules. Use the “Get state information” menu at the bottom of this page to get contact information for your state Medicaid office. The office can tell you whether you qualify.
  • To find out if your state is expanding Medicaid in 2014, use the same “Get state information” menu below.
  • States are continuing to make coverage decisions and they could expand Medicaid in the future.
If your state is expanding Medicaid

The health care law provides states with additional federal funding to expand their Medicaid programs to cover adults under 65 who make up to 133% of the federal poverty level. (Because of the way this is calculated, it is effectively 138% of the federal poverty level.) Children (18 and under) are eligible up to that income level or higher in all states.
If your state is expanding Medicaid, you’ll probably qualify if you make up to about $15,800 a year for 1 person ($32,500 for a family of 4). (These are 2013 numbers, and likely to be slightly higher in 2014.) Coverage can start as soon as January 1, 2014.
If you make more than this amount, you may be able to buy a private insurance plan in the Health Insurance Marketplace. You may be eligible for lower costs on monthly premiums and out-of-pocket costs based on your family size and income.
By applying through the new, single Marketplace application, you’ll find out whether you’re eligible for Medicaid or a private insurance plan at the same time.

If your state isn’t expanding Medicaid for January 1, 2014


Some states aren’t expanding their Medicaid programs effective January 1, 2014. If you live in one of these states, you may not have as many options for health coverage. It will depend on where your income falls.
  • If your income is more than 100% of the federal poverty level -- about $11,500 a year as a single person or about $23,500 for a family of 4 -- you will be able to buy a private health insurance plan in the Marketplace and may get lower costs based on your household size and income.
  • If you make less than about $11,500 a year as a single person or about $23,500 for a family of 4, you may not qualify for lower costs for private insurance based on your income. However, you may be eligible for Medicaid, even without the expansion, based on your state’s existing rules.
Why this coverage gap exists

When the health care law was passed, it required states to provide Medicaid coverage for adults between ages 18 and 65 with incomes up to 133% of the federal poverty level, regardless of their age, family status, or health.
It also provides tax credits for people with incomes between 100% and 400% of the federal poverty level to buy private insurance plans in the Marketplace.
Under the law, the federal government will pay states all of the costs for newly eligible people for the first three years. It will pay no less than 90% of the costs in the future.
The U.S. Supreme Court later ruled that the Medicaid expansion is voluntary with states. As a result, some states are not expanding their Medicaid programs as of January 1, 2014.
Many adults in those states with incomes below 100% of the federal poverty level fall into a gap. Their incomes are too high to get Medicaid under their state’s current rules. But their incomes are too low to qualify for help buying coverage in the Marketplace.
 
Old 11-13-2013, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Subsidy for all or subsidy for NONE. We should all have equal treatment under the law.
 
Old 11-13-2013, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Repeal . Impeach . Indict . Convict . Incarcerate .

Remember when Rep. Joe Wilson Yelled Out "You Lie!" During Obama Health Care Speech?
Rep. Joe Wilson Yells Out "You Lie!" During Obama Health Care Speech (VIDEO)
Of course, HE was urged to apologize.
...
Perhaps BHO should now apologize to Joe Wilson, and the American people - just before his resignation for dishonesty, perjury, deceit, fabrication, guile, misrepresentation, duplicity, fibbing, double-dealing, prevarication, falsity, mendacity, dissimulation, and untruthfulness.
PERJURY - 1. (Law) The deliberate, willful giving of false, misleading, or incomplete testimony under oath.
2. The breach of an oath or promise.
(A breach of one’s oath of office is perjury.)
...
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." - - - Art. 2, Sec. 1, USCON
...
The president is bound by this oath in all matters until he leaves office. No additional oath is needed to bind him to tell the truth in anything he says, as telling the truth is a requirement for any public servant. Any deliberate false public statement is perjury, when not necessary to deceive an enemy of the American people.

And ACA is not a matter of national security, is it?

The charge of perjury can apply to ANY oath bound public official or officer who deliberately lies. No public servant has the delegated power to lie to his master, the American people.
 
Old 11-13-2013, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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It's the known doughnut hole made larger by states that have chosen not to increase Medicaid.
I think Texas has the greatest number of uninsured citizens and legal workers. Texas is one of the states that declined to expand Medicaid and did so knowing the long term cost of the uninsured would be greater than the cost of increasing Medicaid.

Uninsured people in every state have a tendency to use the ER for routine medical care with the seemingly belief that it's free. The write-off becomes the cost of doing business and is a part of the price everyone else pays for medical care in the U.S.
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