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Old 11-21-2013, 03:53 AM
 
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Warren's policies are exactly what the shrinking middle class needs right now...as opposed to the Ayn Rand philosophies that the GOP/Teapublicans are pushing.
Oh, oh...I hope I'm not put in the position of having to vote for this lying, manipulative woman. I need my Social Security. Where are the people of good character in our country? Oh, oh, oh.
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Old 11-21-2013, 03:58 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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You are aware you need about 7 people work to support one on Social Security, right, once again, statist can not do basic math.
Seven republicans or conservatives will do, any seven, as long as they're gainfully employed, meanwhile, please keep this old fart's SS checks coming, I need kibbles n bits for my faithful furry friend.
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Old 11-21-2013, 04:25 AM
 
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How did she propose to pay for the expansion when it is currently insolvent.

The problem is, both parties have gimmick politicians: Hey vote for me, I'll give you more for less!!! And then we are stuck with deficits and poor policies.

The Social Security Trustees say that by 2033 the SS Trust Fund will be gone, and they will only be able to pay out ~74% of the benefits owed. SS Disability is set to hit that wall much sooner.

If we didn't have a bunch of cowards in Washington from the House of Reps to the Senate, to Obama himself and all previous people in Washington like GWB -- we would have a solution in place now, when the solution would be less painful. Cowards would attack people who propose solutions like Paul Ryan, rather than offering their own in a discussion.

But we have Warren off in fantasy land once again saying to expand it to fool people for votes.

Dysfunction.
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Old 11-21-2013, 04:45 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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How did she propose to pay for the expansion when it is currently insolvent.

The problem is, both parties have gimmick politicians: Hey vote for me, I'll give you more for less!!! And then we are stuck with deficits and poor policies.

The Social Security Trustees say that by 2033 the SS Trust Fund will be gone, and they will only be able to pay out ~74% of the benefits owed. SS Disability is set to hit that wall much sooner.

If we didn't have a bunch of cowards in Washington from the House of Reps to the Senate, to Obama himself and all previous people in Washington like GWB -- we would have a solution in place now, when the solution would be less painful. Cowards would attack people who propose solutions like Paul Ryan, rather than offering their own in a discussion.

But we have Warren off in fantasy land once again saying to expand it to fool people for votes.

Dysfunction.
It's worse than that, though. We already know SS STRIPS wealth from most of those who pay into the system. Any politician who proposes expanding that stripping of wealth CANNOT be trusted to look out for the common good. It's just another blatant attempt by the federal government to grab American citizens' assets.

Even worse, still, Warren and other big government statists like her absolutely COUNT on many Americans being way too stupid to realize the federal government is stripping them of their wealth.

Have you all NOT learned anything from the troubled big government Ponzi schemes, the Obamacare fiasco just being the latest of them?
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Old 11-21-2013, 05:06 AM
 
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Warren's policies are exactly what the shrinking middle class needs right now...as opposed to the Ayn Rand philosophies that the GOP/Teapublicans are pushing.
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My classmates proudly called themselves socialists, communists, and Marxists.

To bring down America and our capitalist system, they were taught to overwhelm the system with massive spending, entitlements and debt. That would cause the economy to collapse, wipe out the middle class, and bring Americans to their knees, begging government to save them.

What Obama and I Learned at Columbia: How to Destroy America From Within | TheBlaze.com
Not sure if that's where Obama learned it.... but he learned it somewhere.
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Old 11-21-2013, 05:26 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Actually, it's not. Most people get LESS back in SS benefits than they've paid in SS taxes throughout their working years.
Social Security is a LOSING deal for most workers

This tells us either of these two things:

1) Warren has no clue how SS is funded and that most people actually LOSE money on the deal, in which case she has no business proposing any such expansion because her lack of knowledge will seriously mislead the underinformed.

Or...

2) She wants to expand the scam that already enables the government to strip wealth from most Americans.
There have been programs put in place such as the Windfall Elimination Program and Government Pension Offsets that impact many earners, those at the bottom that live long lives make out better than those at the top. Overall people are getting back more than they put in that is one reason the system is in trouble along with the fact that we have an aging population.
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Old 11-21-2013, 05:36 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Overall people are getting back more than they put in that is one reason the system is in trouble along with the fact that we have an aging population.
Most people do NOT get back more than they paid into the system. You clearly didn't read the AP-sourced, Social Security Administration citing article.
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Old 11-21-2013, 05:39 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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It's worse than that, though. We already know SS STRIPS wealth from most of those who pay into the system. Any politician who proposes expanding that stripping of wealth CANNOT be trusted to look out for the common good. It's just another blatant attempt by the federal government to grab American citizens' assets.

Even worse, still, Warren and other big government statists like her absolutely COUNT on many Americans being way too stupid to realize the federal government is stripping them of their wealth.

Have you all NOT learned anything from the troubled big government Ponzi schemes, the Obamacare fiasco just being the latest of them?
Rick Perry talking point regurgitated.
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Old 11-21-2013, 05:43 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Rick Perry talking point regurgitated.
Can you prove that it isn't true that most people LOSE money on SS?

We all know you can't. Even the SS Admin admits most people actually LOSE money on SS.
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Old 11-21-2013, 05:43 AM
 
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I rather see Social Security as what it was intended, a SAFETY NET program... with tiered levels...

Earn 10k or less per year from other retirement sources, get 2k a month...
Earn 30k or less per year from other retirement sources, get 1k a month...
Earn 50k or less per year from other retirement sources, get 500 a month...
Earn more than 55k per year or more, get nothing...

I suspect it will make the program viable and last a long time...
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