Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 11-21-2013, 06:36 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
46,001 posts, read 35,256,579 times
Reputation: 7875

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by nononsenseguy View Post
Figures. You and your ilk really hate freedom and liberty, as does Elizabeth Warren.
That is false, you just have a twisted idea of freedom and liberty that only matches your far right wing fantasies that the rest of us don't agree with.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 11-21-2013, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
7,168 posts, read 5,376,936 times
Reputation: 2922
Of course this idea would be popular, duh it taxes the middle class and the rich and increases beni's for the poor. I hope they do it and the middle class takes part in throwing out anyone who votes for it. If Warren runs on this idea she won't make it out of the primaries and it will be Hillary.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-21-2013, 06:54 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
89,320 posts, read 45,042,699 times
Reputation: 13791
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaten_Drinker View Post
What they lose is the potential gains they would have received if they invested the contributions in the private sector instead of the minimal 2% interest that is accrued in SS.
They actually don't even break even on SS taxes paid, alone.
Quote:
"A married couple retiring last year after both spouses earned average lifetime wages paid about $598,000 in Social Security taxes during their careers. They can expect to collect about $556,000 in benefits, if the man lives to 82 and the woman lives to 85"
AP - Social Security a LOSING Deal for Most Workers
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-21-2013, 06:55 AM
 
2,672 posts, read 2,722,987 times
Reputation: 1041
Quote:
Originally Posted by nononsenseguy View Post
Her view of the "Chained CPI" may be the only thing I agree with her on. But, she is still a collectivist (socialist) and there is no getting around that. That is what makes her dangerous. It is an unAmerican ideology that is a threat to our freedom. I would never champion such an ideology, as she does.

As for Ayn Rand and Republicans, the Republican Party supports our free enterprise system, which is based on the ideas of capitalism. Beyond that there is no connection of the Republican Party to Ayn Rand.

Rand was born in 1905 in St. Petersburg, Russia. The Republican Party emerged in 1854, and our nation has always been, from it's founding, a capitalist nation. Capitalism is the only system that can support Freedom as we have known it in America.

You should learn some history before making such wild accusations. Rand learned about freedom and capitalism by studying American history, after her fathers pharmacy had been confiscated by the Communists. She was well aquainted with collectivism (what Elizabeth Warren champions) as she had experienced it first hand, and saw what it does to a nation. She came to the United States first in 1926, and her well known novel, "Atlas Shrugged," was not wrtten until 1946, after several other works, including, "The Fountainhead."

So, the Republican Party was not modeled after Rand's work. Rather, Rand wrote based on what she learned about America, after coming here.
Rand was the model for todays Tea Partier...a hypocrite who signed up for Medicare and took out many more times in benefits than she contributed to. She complained about parasites when she was in fact a parasite herself. I guess you could say they Tea Party is modeled after her.. The want to get rid of the ACA but Medicare is their baby.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-21-2013, 06:56 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
89,320 posts, read 45,042,699 times
Reputation: 13791
Quote:
Originally Posted by Swingblade View Post
Of course this idea would be popular, duh it taxes the middle class and the rich and increases beni's for the poor. I hope they do it and the middle class takes part in throwing out anyone who votes for it. If Warren runs on this idea she won't make it out of the primaries and it will be Hillary.
You would think so, but you're talking about the same middle class that elected Obama. Twice.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-21-2013, 07:02 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
8,347 posts, read 7,256,424 times
Reputation: 2279
Quote:
Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
Someone didn't bother to read the AP article.
AP - Social Security a LOSING Deal for Most Workers

Even some low-income earners LOSE money on SS.
From the article "IF".

And, since republicans and conservative want to cut SS benefits, medicare and other programs people pay money into, it's not surprising that people will lose money paid into the system.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-21-2013, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
86,052 posts, read 84,631,880 times
Reputation: 27720
Starting with the Boomer generation EVERYONE will lose money because now we are all paying in more than we'll ever get back. The Boomers are the first generation to have paid FICA their entire working lives.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-21-2013, 07:17 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
30,419 posts, read 20,353,352 times
Reputation: 8958
Quote:
Originally Posted by urbanlife78 View Post
That is false, you just have a twisted idea of freedom and liberty that only matches your far right wing fantasies that the rest of us don't agree with.
It isn't false at all. You people bash capitalism day in and day out, our Republican form of government, and you embrace people like Warren, who are collectivists, and redistributionists, and trying to destroy it.. You think confiscation of others property is a good thing. Do you not understand the evil in what you are championing?

Perhaps you should be living in Russia. You might find it more to your liking.

The OP trashes the Republicans (as you do) and links them to Ayn Rand (whom she apparently despises) who grew up under Communism and understands the oppression of a socialist system (which you apparently support). What do you think collectivism is?

Perhaps you should read "The Road to Serfdom." I don't think you know where we are headed; where people like Barack Obama and Elizabeth Warren are trying to take us.

Well, the world has already been there, and those systems have failed in the past, and thousands of people murdered under those systems. Why do you want us to go there?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-21-2013, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
46,001 posts, read 35,256,579 times
Reputation: 7875
Quote:
Originally Posted by nononsenseguy View Post
It isn't false at all. You people bash capitalism day in and day out, our Republican form of government, and you embrace people like Warren, who are collectivists, and redistributionists, and trying to destroy it.. You think confiscation of others property is a good thing. Do you not understand the evil in what you are championing?

Perhaps you should be living in Russia. You might find it more to your liking.

The OP trashes the Republicans (as you do) and links them to Ayn Rand (whom she apparently despises) who grew up under Communism and understands the oppression of a socialist system (which you apparently support). What do you think collectivism is?

Perhaps you should read "The Road to Serfdom." I don't think you know where we are headed; where people like Barack Obama and Elizabeth Warren are trying to take us.

Well, the world has already been there, and those systems have failed in the past, and thousands of people murdered under those systems. Why do you want us to go there?
The country being a Democratic Republic doesn't mean it is a Repiblican form of government. And you are making a false claim in saying I am against capitalism. I am sure you would love to live in Ayn Rand's fantasy of an oppressive world where the only ones who have real freedom are those with the wealth while those without wealth are left behind to suffer.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-21-2013, 07:26 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
30,419 posts, read 20,353,352 times
Reputation: 8958
Quote:
Originally Posted by urbanlife78 View Post
Actually I am curious where Gunz gets his math from. Care to share with us how you came to that number?
Look, Einstein, right now half of this country isn't even working, so there are millions of people not paying into SS. Not a great time to be advocating for an expansion of it.

Obamacare is bankrupting us, and estimated to cost $2.6 trillion the first ten years. We have spent $4.3 Billion (so far) on a Web site that does not work, and are told that 60% - 70% of the back end (the payment processing system, etc.) is not completed yet!

Do ya think we have a few problems? How can we be talking about expanding SS?

The Democrat Party, and Barack Obama have done this to us, with no help at all from Republicans. The Democrats own this mess entirely. They created it. It's theirs. And Warren (Occupier-in-Chief) is one of them.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top