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... not bloody likely, considering that the GOP and Tea Party are so fractured and disliked, it'll likely be awhile before they're in any position to get a majority again. I'm no fan of Obama, and his approval rating is quite low, but that doesn't mean that people want a bunch of fat, blubbering morons standing at the podium screaming their heads off about abortion and wanting to undo any progress this country has made since the industrial revolution.
I don't necessarily "like" the fact that they've changed the rules and understand why the filibuster was in place, but this is another situation where the GOP's policy of obstruct, obstruct, obstruct, right up until the economy fractures, the budget is nixed, and the government ceases to function has blown up right in their faces. What they've done over the last few years basically amounts to a coup; IMHO, there are a lot of senators who should be tried for treason.
You're not a very astute observer of politics, obviously. Not one single respected politcal analyst out there is making the proclamations that you're spewing. Not one. Especially after the Obamacare fiasco. No one should listen to your blather, as it has no basis in fact or reality.
Leave it to you folks not to understand the old phrase "what goes around comes around." Do Democrats think they'll hold the Senate majority in perpetuity?
That's the whole reason Reid hasn't acted on the nuclear option before now.....he understands the ramfications of his actions. Too bad he succumbed to the low-intelligence, short-sighted influence that makes up the blue half.
Can we say "stupid?"
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Another knee-slapper. EVERYONE knows that the GOP would do the same thing in a heartbeat should they ever overcome their propensity for insulting their own voters and miraculously re-take the Senate.
Because they know they've overreached with their obstruction of historical, epic proportions, and that the Dems would take them to the woodshed with the same filibuster tactic if they were the minority. And honestly, I would enjoy that. So in that sense, I actually do regret this move. It would be SUCH fun to listen to the GOP Senate majority whine like little girls when what goes around comes around ...
The president hasn't gotten his way. And that has now prompted a change in the Senate rules that would really change the character of the senate. What we should worry about is that we have simply majoritarian rule on either side, and that's just not what the founders intended.
But the president has come to the majority in the Senate and basically said, "change the rules, do it the way I want it done." And I guess there just weren't many voices on the Democrat side of the aisle who that acted the way previous generations of Senators have acted and said "Mr. President, we're with you and we support you. But that's a bridge too far; we just can't go there. You have to restrain yourself." But no, we are not going to follow the Senate rules because of the arrogance of power of this Democrat administration.
So now we we have a constitutional crisis. The checks and balances which have been at the core of this republic have been evaporated by the nuclear option; the checks and balances that say that if you get 51% of the vote that you don't get your way 100% of the time. It is amazing, it's almost a temper tantrum. Never mind the right to extended debate is never more important than one party controls both the Congress and the White House.
The Nuclear Option will turn the Senate into a body that can have its rules broken at any time by a majority of Senators unhappy with any position taken by the minority. It begins with judicial nominations. Next will be executive appointments, then legislation.
This nuclear option ultimately an example of the arrogance of power. It is a fundamental power grab. Remember Democrats, you may own this side of the field right now, but you won't own it forever.
Leave it to you folks not to understand the old phrase "what goes around comes around." Do Democrats think they'll hold the Senate majority in perpetuity?
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No we don't think we will hold the senate in perpetuity, but since every judicial appointment by the president has been filibustered by the obstructionist republicans and their stated goal from day one, was to hamstring the Obama administration, which they have successfully done since 2009, we figured we might as well make hay while the sun shines.
The republicans would be no less or no more vituperative and hateful towards the nation when they gain power again as they have proven themselves to be during this current administration..
Leave it to you folks not to understand the old phrase "what goes around comes around." Do Democrats think they'll hold the Senate majority in perpetuity?
That's the whole reason Reid hasn't acted on the nuclear option before now.....he understands the ramfications of his actions. Too bad he succumbed to the low-intelligence, short-sighted influence that makes up the blue half.
Can we say "stupid?"
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No we dont think we will always hold the majority there. but as we near a record 500 filibusters, its become a weapon against anything being accomplished. The non-talking filibuster was a privilege, and the truly insane levels of abuse of it required this solution. Yes we know it means it wont be there for us, but....it will never be abused to this extent ever again.
It is a very sad day for this country. One of the last vestiges of the balance of power is gone. Out is 225 years of precedence. I predict that the day will come when Democrat senators will rue this day. What would there be to stop a Republican senate to change the rules again to include the Supreme Count and a Republican president would pack the court with conservative judges. It could happen! I've been alive long enough to see Democrats in control of the senate and see Republicans in control of the senate.
The nuclear option only pertains to Presidential nominees. It does not affect proposed legislation.
The president hasn't gotten his way. And that has now prompted a change in the Senate rules that would really change the character of the senate. What we should worry about is that we have simply majoritarian rule on either side, and that's just not what the founders intended.
But the president has come to the majority in the Senate and basically said, "change the rules, do it the way I want it done." And I guess there just weren't many voices on the Democrat side of the aisle who that acted the way previous generations of Senators have acted and said "Mr. President, we're with you and we support you. But that's a bridge too far; we just can't go there. You have to restrain yourself." But no, we are not going to follow the Senate rules because of the arrogance of power of this Democrat administration.
So now we we have a constitutional crisis. The checks and balances which have been at the core of this republic have been evaporated by the nuclear option; the checks and balances that say that if you get 51% of the vote that you don't get your way 100% of the time. It is amazing, it's almost a temper tantrum. Never mind the right to extended debate is never more important than one party controls both the Congress and the White House.
The Nuclear Option will turn the Senate into a body that can have its rules broken at any time by a majority of Senators unhappy with any position taken by the minority. It begins with judicial nominations. Next will be executive appointments, then legislation.
This nuclear option ultimately an example of the arrogance of power. It is a fundamental power grab. Remember Democrats, you may own this side of the field right now, but you won't own it forever.
Another one who thinks the Founders invented the non-democratic filibuster …
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