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Old 11-23-2013, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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This is great news. When Republicans take over the senate, house, and presidency we can easily repeal Obama(doesn't)care. We can also put normal judges back in, not radical ones.
Name me one radical judge that Obama wants seated in a district federal court.
The judges appointed by the president are approved for life. How are you gonna just walk in and replace them?

The nuclear option only applies to executive appointments of judges and cabinet appointees. It does not apply to the SCOTUS or any legislative action taken by the Senate.

Get a clue and read the links you post in before you spout your partisan BS.

The OP
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Old 11-23-2013, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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The chart your Republican buddy posted shows 76% of Obama's nominee's have been confirmed, 91% of Bush's nominees were confirmed....

The chart also shows their are far more vacancies in the court now and over the last few years than during Bush's Presidency, due to the GOP blocking the nominees.
That does not mean 24% of them were freaking filibustered.

Remember liberals, it was the damned democrats who broke tradition by being the first in history to filibuster a judicial nominee in 2003, and it's democrats who once again broke tradition and changed 200 years of senate rules to end the filibuster.
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Old 11-23-2013, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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That does not mean 24% of them were freaking filibustered.

Remember liberals, it was the damned democrats who broke tradition by being the first in history to filibuster a judicial nominee in 2003, and it's democrats who once again broke tradition and changed 200 years of senate rules to end the filibuster.
So let's just cut to the chase. Forget all the excuses and take the gloves off.

The Democratic party is in possible trouble come 2014 because of the incompetence of the Obamacare roll out team. This could drag the party down in the mid terms. Also, the democrats can't keep counting on the fact that the republicans will continue to be their own worst enemy.
Republicans have been obstructing the legislative process ever since Obama first parked his ass in the oval office.
Democrats have had enough.
Guaranteed, that once the republicans took over the Senate the first vote they would take would be to vote the nuclear option as they know that the dems would payback and obstruct using the filibuster for all the years they did the same.
So.....the Dems did it first.
This will allow them to stack the lower courts with moderate/liberal judges for a long time to come.
Ultimately, the Dems will pay for this move as the republicans will extend the nuclear option to SCOTUS judges and legislative action as payback for what the dems just did as soon as they are in charge.

Politics is a nasty, dirty game, full of infighting, betrayals and secret deals.
And then there's the bad side of it.

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Old 11-23-2013, 11:38 AM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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So let's just cut to the chase. Forget all the excuses and take the gloves off.

The Democratic party is in possible trouble come 2014 because of the incompetence of the Obamacare roll out team. This could drag the party down in the mid terms. Also, the democrats can't keep hoping that the republicans will continue to be their own worst enemy.
Republicans have been obstructing the legislative process ever since Obama first parked his ass in the oval office.
Democrats have had enough.
Guaranteed, that once the republicans took over the Senate the first vote they would take would be to vote the nuclear option as they know that the dems would payback and obstruct using the filibuster for all the years they did the same.
So.....the Dems did it first.
This will allow them to stack the lower courts with moderate/liberal judges for a long time to come.
Ultimately, the Dems will pay for this move as the republicans will extend the nuclear option to SCOTUS judges and legislative action as payback for what the dems just did as soon as they are in charge.

Politics is a nasty, dirty game, full of infighting, betrayals and secret deals.
And then there's the bad side of it.
LOL. Good one!

Anyway, you've pretty much described the entire GOTP reason for being.

Step 1: Declare that government doesn't work.

Step 2: Obstruct everything that could make government work.

Step 3: Declare "victory."

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Old 11-23-2013, 11:39 AM
 
Location: South Bay
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Funny how every time I mention this little fact, the righty nut jobs suddenly find something else to talk about:

The GOTP openly declared that they would opposed everything Obama might even think he might want to do before the crowd had even left the inaugural ceremony in January 2009.

The next morning, they and their paid their mouth breathers started posting on anonymous Internet forums that Obama was "divisive."

You are the one who is deflecting from the obvious. The only way things are going to get fixed is if people come to the middle and find common ground. You and a few others in here seem to think that two wrongs make a right. Excusing this president because of a past administration, 5 years out, is not a valid excuse anymore.

I'm loving how the tables have turned, and it is the liberals who have become the conspiracy theorists. It's ironic and sad.

I reiterate; some of the people in here have abandoned common sense. This is what happens when the lies of socialism implodes upon itself. Now, the Dem's are in a panic and fast tracking their undermining of the system while they still have the power to do so.

You know full well how divisive this President has been, but you still choose to defend him, even in the face of the obvious. This is your problem - the rest of the country is waking up. 37% approval rating and dropping like a rock.

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Old 11-23-2013, 12:01 PM
 
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You are the one who is deflecting from the obvious. The only way things are going to get fixed is if people come to the middle and find common ground. You and a few others in here seem to think that two wrongs make a right. Excusing this president because of a past administration, 5 years out, is not a valid excuse anymore.

I'm loving how the tables have turned, and it is the liberals who have become the conspiracy theorists. It's ironic and sad.

I reiterate; some of the people in here have abandoned common sense. This is what happens when the lies of socialism implodes upon itself. Now, the Dem's are in a panic and fast tracking their undermining of the system while they still have the power to do so.

You know full well how divisive this President has been, but you still choose to defend him, even in the face of the obvious. This is your problem - the rest of the country is waking up. 37% approval rating and dropping like a rock.
Two wrongs never make a right. But they do make politics.

And no, I strenuously disagree that he has been "divisive." He's a real disappointment to an old progressive like me, but to deliberately tank his agenda before he even started and then to claim that HE is "divisive" is one of the weaselliest tricks in the book of weasels.

Again, ignoring the simple facts so you can accuse someone of something YOU created … nice try, but no kewpie doll for you.
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Old 11-23-2013, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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You are the one who is deflecting from the obvious. The only way things are going to get fixed is if people come to the middle and find common ground. You and a few others in here seem to think that two wrongs make a right. Excusing this president because of a past administration, 5 years out, is not a valid excuse anymore.

I'm loving how the tables have turned, and it is the liberals who have become the conspiracy theorists. It's ironic and sad.

I reiterate; some of the people in here have abandoned common sense. This is what happens when the lies of socialism implodes upon itself. Now, the Dem's are in a panic and fast tracking their undermining of the system while they still have the power to do so.

You know full well how divisive this President has been, but you still choose to defend him, even in the face of the obvious. This is your problem - the rest of the country is waking up. 37% approval rating and dropping like a rock.
Boy are you living in dream world. The country is divided 49-51. The country was divided 49.7-50.3 under the Bush administration.
The only division the president has presided over is the complete breakdown of the republican party during his administration. Moderate conservatives versus the Tea Party Taliban.
The Speaker of the house can't even propose a moderate, compromise solution to any legislative issue because he can't guarantee the votes from his own party to get something passed!

You want to talk about division, go look at your own toilet seat.
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Old 11-23-2013, 12:27 PM
 
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Two wrongs never make a right. But they do make politics.

And no, I strenuously disagree that he has been "divisive." He's a real disappointment to an old progressive like me, but to deliberately tank his agenda before he even started and then to claim that HE is "divisive" is one of the weaselliest tricks in the book of weasels.

Again, ignoring the simple facts so you can accuse someone of something YOU created … nice try, but no kewpie doll for you.
This. ^^ Obama has been a disappointment to this progressive as well, but Republicans made no secret of the fact that they intended to obstruct everything he wanted to do before he was even sworn in. And they have done so.

A poster above mentioned that the Democrats decided to nuke the filibuster now, while they still could get some of the president's appointments through, because if the GOP does retake the Senate in 2014, they will surely do away with it themselves. Republicans anticipate that the Democrats would wield it against them the same way they have been using it for the past five years, and would never take that chance by allowing it to remain.

It took Reid a few years longer than it should have, but he finally got frustrated enough to do it. Good for him. The minority has ruled in the Senate long enough.
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Old 11-23-2013, 03:02 PM
 
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Have any of you stopped to think the Republicans block things because they are not good for the country? Or are you so far up the liar in chief's behind you no longer have enough oxygen to think for yourselves?
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Old 11-23-2013, 03:06 PM
 
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Have any of you stopped to think the Republicans block things because they are not good for the country? Or are you so far up the liar in chief's behind you no longer have enough oxygen to think for yourselves?
lol

Have you ever stopped to think that the Republicans are just d**kheads without any principles?
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