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Originally Posted by Wapasha
Kennedy's point was that to stimulate the economy we need the private sector spending their money, investing and expanding businesses with their money. Kennedy did not he say we need government taxing, borrowing and spending to stimulate the economy.
That's the thing you might be missing. The current administration has spent five years thinking government can stimulate the economy and promote job creation thru government sending, and $7 trillion in debt, and a fifty year high in poverty levels later, it's obvious this is not working at all.
except, nothing you just said is true.
When Kennedy advocated cutting taxes, it was only down to 77% at the top rate(from 91%) and to 16% at the bottom (down from 20%)
The highest tax rate now is only 39%, the lowest is 10%, so Kennedy was still advocating a higher tax rate than Barack Obama ever has, infact, it was almost double.
Kennedy never had a surplus, so he indeed borrowed And one of the quotes on the second page of this thread says deficit spending was ok.
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"The present state of our economy is disturbing. We take office in the wake of seven months of recession. Insured unemployment is at the highest peak in our history. In short, the American economy is in trouble. The most resourceful industrialized country on earth ranks among the last in economic growth. I will propose within the next 14 days measures aimed at insuring a prompt recovery and paving the way for increased long-range growth."
at some point you people are going to have to learn to both put things in context and actually see if they are true before you post them.
Update: grabbed the wrong quote the first time, although it still makes my point, here is the one i meant grab
– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 21, 1963, annual message to the Congress: “The Economic Report Of The President”
“In today’s economy, fiscal prudence and responsibility call for tax reduction even if it temporarily enlarges the federal deficit – why reducing taxes is the best way open to us to increase revenues.”
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan
Kennedy is nothing like Obama..nothing.
Pretty sure When Kennedy took office, the first thing he did was propose a stimulus, one of the biggest parts of it was a minimum wage increase, another was construction,both housing and roads. He signed a tax cut, which Obama did as well.
Lets face it, People like you have demonized President Obama so much that you dont even remember what he did. Your idea of him is based on FOX news not what he actually did.
That being said, Obama is no Kennedy, people did not try to sabotage Kennedy's presidency from the beginning, or atleast they werent so vocal about it.
That being said, Obama is no Kennedy, people did not try to sabotage Kennedy's presidency from the beginning, or atleast they werent so vocal about it.
Maybe not Kennedy but GW suffered the same fate. It is the age of the internet. Presidents better get used to it.
Pretty sure When Kennedy took office, the first thing he did was propose a stimulus, one of the biggest parts of it was a minimum wage increase, another was construction,both housing and roads. He signed a tax cut, which Obama did as well.
Lets face it, People like you have demonized President Obama so much that you dont even remember what he did. Your idea of him is based on FOX news not what he actually did.
That being said, Obama is no Kennedy, people did not try to sabotage Kennedy's presidency from the beginning, or atleast they werent so vocal about it.
JFK created permanent changes. His stimulus went to the people, not donors to finance their startup companies. He also had the ear and approval in Congress to get many of his changes accepted and passed.
What tax cut did Obama sign ?
Obama came into office saying he was letting the Bush cuts expire.
Obama has set himself up for any and all comments.
He did it to himself and continues to do so.
It's his doing if the outcome is good and either someone else's fault or total lack of knowledge if the outcome is bad.
Put Obama in JFK's shoes in addressing the Bay of Pigs.
The outcome would NOT be the same.
And, since con voters heard that JFK was a con himself, from limpbaugh, beck, britebert, and other con talking heads, they now have it in their shallow minds that somehow, JFK was "One Of Us"
NOT!
Furthermore, cons "thought" (if they are able to think at all) that Obama is the worst prez for issuing executive orders, and have even gone as far as to call Obama the food stamp president.
Back up cons:
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The Kennedy administration started the Food Stamp Program by executive order
Last edited by NoJiveMan; 11-23-2013 at 01:29 PM..
Wow...he sounds like Romney..........Lefties try to paint Obama as Kennedy!! Nothing could be further from the truth.....
Remember and this may be hard for many of you, because you were not even alive when he died, life was very different in the 60s. It started changing in the late 60s to 70s. Yes, he was conservative, by todays standards in some ways, just like Reagan was liberal. Of course the young people supported Obama because they saw Kennedy but they had no idea what Kennedy was really all about. If Kennedy was alive today and held the same views he did then, he would be the first Republican in his family, followed by his brother.
The social issues we deal with today were not even mentioned in the 60s. He was still socially somewhat left of center but certainly on crime, communism, protection our country and yes, fiscally he was not todays Democrat. Just his statement about what you can do for your country shows his true views. If nothing else, he loved his country and was a patriot just like Reagan.
And, since con voters heard that JFK was a con himself, from limpbaugh, beck, britebert, and other con talking heads, they now have it in their shallow minds that somehow, JFK was "One Of Us"
NOT!
Furthermore, cons "thought" (if they are able to think at all) that Obama is the worst prez for issuing executive orders, and have even gone as far as to call Obama the food stamp president.
Back up cons:
The level of cognative dissonance is mind boggling. The food stamp program began in 1939. JFK's executive order regarding the 2nd generation food stamp program simply enforced the program that was signed into law by Eisenhower in the 1950's. It was miniscule by comparison to the many changes and expansions that have taken place several times now since Kennedy's murder. It wasn't even a national program until the 1970's.
And, Obama has issued more executive orders than any other president. He's the most dishonest, rogue disgrace ever to infest Washington DC, and that is no small feat considering who he replaced.
To even mention Obama in the same conversation with JFK shows how clueless liberals are ... as if we needed any more evidence.
Thomas Jefferson was a liberal, and his views were substantially in line with my views. So does that mean I'm a liberal? In short, yes ... and that ideological position has been coined as a "Jeffersonian Liberal", or "Classical Liberal", which bears no ressemblance to todays progressives who hijacked the designation.
A story ...... JFK was hosting a dinner at the White House where a collection of prominent intellectuals attended. He stood, proposed a toast, saying that (paraphrasing) "tonight we have a gathering of wisdom this table has never before seen, except perhaps when Thomas Jefferson dined alone". Kennedy was a true Jeffersonian liberal, which has little in common with modern day progressivism calling itself liberalism. And by today's standandards, he would certainly be considered a Christian Conservative Irish CATHOLIC. That he was a true president of and for the people, believing that government's true role is to serve the people, and not Rule them, clearly seperates him from the "Statist-Collectivist-Authoritarians" that now call themselves "liberal democrats". That the leftist progressives have hijacked the label, and rewritten the history of the democrat party, accounts for the massive ignorance of it's deceived followers who have accepted the Orwellian redefinitions which now pass as historically accurate.
Nevertheless, the historical truth is, Kennedy alienated the old guard democrats by promoting civil rights legislation, which was fervantly opposed by them as a republican agenda. I understand that todays loyal democrat followers have been brainwashed to believe that conservative republicans are, and have always been their mortal enemies. Of course, smoke pours out of their ears when presented the truth that it was and still is the exact opposite.
If you want him to be conservative, then you have to admit medicare, medicaid, food stamps etc are conservative ideas. Will you adopt his pet projets with him, or are you trying to adopt only his popularity with hopes it might make you look better bt association?
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Kennedy Was Conservative
