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Old 11-22-2013, 10:36 AM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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Still ignoring the enormous amounts of money people would no longer have to deduct from their paycheck to cover health insurance, I see.

Care to address this little oversight of yours, or will you continue to post this half-argument over and over on multiple threads?
Where do you think all of this magic money would come from if not from our paychecks?
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Old 11-22-2013, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Still ignoring the enormous amounts of money people would no longer have to deduct from their paycheck to cover health insurance, I see.

Care to address this little oversight of yours, or will you continue to post this half-argument over and over on multiple threads?
Sounds like you haven't had employer group insurance.
Not enormous at all. Subsidized in fact.
And that's what outraged those that didn't have the same benefits.

I had $100/month deducted. Employer paid the rest.
Big company, good plan.

Now YOU can foot the entire bill. Oh wait..the left will MANDATE that companies pay their fair share.
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Old 11-22-2013, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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I think regional non-profits is a better approach, but either way tax-funded universal health care is long overdue and the failure of Obamacare, which was authored by insurance and medical profiteers, may be the impetus we need to get us there.
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Old 11-22-2013, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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A good argument for raising the minimum wage, which is long, long overdue. Workers would be in effect paying for their own healthcare, which would be cheaper than paying for private insurance.
ROFL..raise the min wage so that workers can pay more to the government ?
did you really just propose that ?
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Old 11-22-2013, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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I think regional non-profits is a better approach, but either way tax-funded universal health care is long overdue and the failure of Obamacare, which was authored by insurance and medical profiteers, may be the impetus we need to get us there.
Another penetrating and insightful post Ponderosa, I could not agree more.
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Old 11-22-2013, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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How do you propose this be paid for other than bumping FICA up to 15-20% on the employee side ?
A single payer system would, out of the gate, be between 16% and 25% less expensive than our current system. That amounts to a savings of no less than $420 billion dollars a year.

That is how you pay for it.
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Old 11-22-2013, 10:43 AM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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Sounds like you haven't had employer group insurance.
Not enormous at all. Subsidized in fact.
And that's what outraged those that didn't have the same benefits.

I had $100/month deducted. Employer paid the rest.
Big company, good plan.

Now YOU can foot the entire bill. Oh wait..the left will MANDATE that companies pay their fair share.
Lucky you. I work for a small business … you know, the kind that cons say employ more people than anyone else.

I would love to get back that $563.52 every month, AND have no deductibles.
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Old 11-22-2013, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Where do you think all of this magic money would come from if not from our paychecks?
50/50 all employers, all sizes, gov and private, profit and non-profit - no exceptions. About 8% of gross each. That won't cover all the deadbeats though so we need a value added tax to supplement that and to make sure that everyone pays something and no one rides completely free. In the end, it's going to cost as much as 1/6 of the entire GDP so it is not going to come cheaply. Of course we spend that now, much of it borrowed though, but it is inefficient and leaves too many short or out.
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Old 11-22-2013, 10:48 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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A single payer system would, out of the gate, be between 16% and 25% less expensive than our current system.
Could be true, using the procedures I outlined in the OP:
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Single Payer is the complete government takeover of the medical industry. It starts by their becoming the ONLY source of payments for medical procedures. Once people are used to them being in charge of that, they will start tightening the screws on hospital payments, doctors' salaries, pharmaceutical research, medical device research, everything that costs money.

At the same time, they will start to favor less expensive procedures over more expensive ones. And in time, this will happen even for expensive procedures that are more safe than less expensive ones.

And eventually, they will start making decisions based on the idea that hugely expensive procedures that will extend a person's life by only a few months, might not be a good idea when that huge amount of money could have bbeen spent on many other patients for procedures that would extend their lives by much longer periods. The people making these decisions will get, and eventually deserve, the title of "Death Panels".

As Government Single Payer continues to lose money, they will gradually choke off research, then services, then care etc., until everything is being done by high school dropout level personnel, with payments to match, and appointments will take a month or three to get.
....since our current system is horribly bloated by govt-mandated paperwork and unnecessary CYA procedures.
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Old 11-22-2013, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Lucky you. I work for a small business … you know, the kind that cons say employ more people than anyone else.

I would love to get back that $563.52 every month, AND have no deductibles.
I worked for a big multinational.
When I started back in the 80's the cost of insurance was 100% employer covered.
I only paid extra for maternity coverage. It was your typical BCBS 80/20.
It was mid to late 90's when they started deducting premiums but the employer still heavily subsidized it.

I chose to look for employment with a big corporation because of those types of benefits.
I was lucky and still am and I know that.
Current new employees to this same company don't have it as good and are paying pretty big monthly premiums.
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