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Old 11-22-2013, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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50/50 all employers, all sizes, gov and private, profit and non-profit - no exceptions. About 8% of gross each.
Do you have any idea how many businesses you'd shut down?

ANY idea?

Obviously, you don't.

I have to say, that idea of yours above might just be the worst I've seen in all the healthcare discussions I've read on this board, and that's saying something. The fallout from that would make Obamacare look like it went off without a hitch.

Best of luck with your plan... NOT.
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Old 11-22-2013, 11:16 AM
 
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Single payer works.

People just have to realize with the exception of the bottom 10%, everyone much contribute.

You will have to sacrifice access and wait times for many elective procedures. But that's the cost of going single payer.
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Old 11-22-2013, 11:18 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Single payer works.
Too bad your wishful thinking doesn't.

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You will have to sacrifice access and wait times for many elective procedures.
And eventually for many non-elective procedures, as I outlined in the OP.

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But that's the cost of going single payer.
And a good reason for NOT going single-payer (i.e. complete government takeover).
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Old 11-22-2013, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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How many countries with single payer systems look at the U.S. with envy?
Zero?
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Old 11-22-2013, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Too bad your wishful thinking doesn't.


And eventually for many non-elective procedures, as I outlined in the OP.


And a good reason for NOT going single-payer (i.e. complete government takeover).
The "wishful thinking" is yours, where you secretly wish for single payer to fail so we can all remain hostage to private insurance companies. It is much more apparent that the people you vote for, Republicans, are heavily invested in the failure of reforming a broken industry that is responsible for more than 60% of all bankruptcies in this country. I've not heard of people dying in England waiting for surgery, but those stories are numerous here, due to lack of coverage. You have your scenarios bass ackwards

Wherever there is big money involved (defense, fossil fuels, healthcare) you can rest assured that the Republican Party will push back hard against any attempts at reform. They have sold out decades ago to special interests, who tell them exactly what to do.
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Old 11-22-2013, 11:34 AM
 
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Too bad your wishful thinking doesn't.


And eventually for many non-elective procedures, as I outlined in the OP.


And a good reason for NOT going single-payer (i.e. complete government takeover).
You have to get a lot of compromises to make it work.
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Old 11-22-2013, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Single payer works.

People just have to realize with the exception of the bottom 10%, everyone much contribute.

You will have to sacrifice access and wait times for many elective procedures. But that's the cost of going single payer.
Well then that's not everyone is it ?
And European countries don't do that...5-8% out of every paycheck just for health insurance.
There's also more taken out for their equivalent for SS.

Austria payroll taxes are up near 22-23% to fund the social programs.
All working people contribute.

That is the real cost of going single payer that is happening today in European countries.
And they are having problems with finances over this..costs are going up more than tax revenue is coming in.
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Old 11-22-2013, 12:54 PM
 
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Only a fool would think putting our healthcare in the hands of the government, an entity that thrives on bureaucracy and inefficiency, is a good idea.
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Old 11-22-2013, 01:14 PM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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Only a fool would think putting our healthcare in the hands of the government, an entity that thrives on bureaucracy and inefficiency, is a good idea.
Of course, only a ghoul would think that putting our healthcare in the hands of for-profit companies, entities which thrive on the pain and suffering of human beings, is a good idea.

FIFY
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Old 11-22-2013, 01:24 PM
 
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The "wishful thinking" is yours, where you secretly wish for single payer to fail so we can all remain hostage to private insurance companies. It is much more apparent that the people you vote for, Republicans, are heavily invested in the failure of reforming a broken industry that is responsible for more than 60% of all bankruptcies in this country. I've not heard of people dying in England waiting for surgery, but those stories are numerous here, due to lack of coverage. You have your scenarios bass ackwards
Whether you are hostage to a private insurance company or hostage to a government bureaucracy is no different. The difference is with private insurance you get choice. With single payer, you don't. Remember "my body, my choice"?
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Wherever there is big money involved (defense, fossil fuels, healthcare) you can rest assured that the Republican Party will push back hard against any attempts at reform. They have sold out decades ago to special interests, who tell them exactly what to do.
While the Democrats never push back hard against any attempts to reform labor unions, right? Don't look now, but your hypocrisy is showing.
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