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Old 11-25-2013, 05:15 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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This is a good deal for the U.S and the six nations that negotiated it.

I've read it over and I can't find anything wrong with it. Why is the right-wing freaking out?
Because they are ALL foreign policy experts, doncha know?
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Old 11-25-2013, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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This is a good deal for the U.S and the six nations that negotiated it.

I've read it over and I can't find anything wrong with it. Why is the right-wing freaking out?
BTW What makes you think it is only the right wing that knows we got nothing out of this agreement?
Schumer: Dems, Repubs Will Push New Iran Sanctions | Washington Free Beacon
It seems no one likes your boy these days.
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Old 11-25-2013, 06:21 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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The "it's impossible" mindset is all too common these days.
It's certainly NOT impossible but given the current leadership highly improbable. It's my opinion you can't sponsor terrorism against the very people you are supposedly negotiating "in good faith" with. We won't even discuss negotiating with people who've said over and over again they want others as well as us DEAD.

I don't blame Iranians as a whole, I'm sure there's plenty of good people there who're just as tired of the crud as everyone else in the world and wish their country would join the rest of the world.
Imagine if we just had the chance to help the locals take their government back from the Mullah nutjobs....
Oh wait WE DID and Obama bungled it.
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Old 11-25-2013, 06:27 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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That would be reasonable except that none of the people in the camps had ever seen Israel.



I think it's the people whose family homes and orchards were seized at gunpoint who can be described as "butthurt" and with good reason; they were robbed. How good or bad they are in any other way is irrelevant.
Neither had any of the so-called Palestinians. They've been booted out of every country they've been allowed to live in.
Why is that I wonder?

Israel (jews) has a right to survive no matter what the loons that seek to wipe them out state. Now if you really want to be honest, had we left Saddam in power Iran wouldn't be the problem they are now. Say what you want about good old Saddam, he kept Iran in check for many,many years.
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Old 11-25-2013, 06:29 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Because they are ALL foreign policy experts, doncha know?
And exactly what makes Obama or Kerry a foreign policy wonk all of a sudden? Did they stay at a Holiday Inn???
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Old 11-25-2013, 07:15 PM
 
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Because Iran is being allowed to continue to enrich Uranium which is a step towards building a nuke. Now they get rewarded for doing it by having sanctions lifted and being accepted into the world community, even though they still want to see Israel wiped off the face of the Earth. Get it?
no they aren't.
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Old 11-25-2013, 07:20 PM
 
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BTW What makes you think it is only the right wing that knows we got nothing out of this agreement?
Schumer: Dems, Repubs Will Push New Iran Sanctions | Washington Free Beacon
It seems no one likes your boy these days.
Charles Schumer (D- Israel)
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Old 11-25-2013, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Why should we have stopped the sanctions without any giveback from Iran?
Iran is required to stop work on bombs, and allow inspectors at all sites, so there is a giveback.

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We should have demanded that they accept Israel, our ally, as a legitimate Jewish state. Do you think they liked the sanctions?
Majority of the sanctions are still in place, but the problem in the past 40 years of sanctions has been the simple fact that they did nothing to keep the Iranians from working on nukes.


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That was the only card we had to play besides war and we just threw it in for nothing. The sanctions may have eventually encouraged a revolution in Iran.
I suppose we could have waited for another 40 years and hope the sanctions would trigger a riot, but the problem is that then Iran would have a nuke. Isn't that what we are trying to avoid?
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Old 11-25-2013, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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no they aren't.
Essentially yes because the temporary agreement does not allow IAEA inspectors to accesses key suspected sites with nuclear weapon enrichment activities.
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Old 11-25-2013, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Oh no the ebbyl Juices are being warmongers! That likud Bibi is the cause of the lack of world peace with its mossad sharks on duty 24/7!

Here we have a bunch of liberals, realist, progressives, even pragmatic judo-phobia Americans complaining and blaming Israel for Iran's illegal actions. But here we go, a group of endangered people who have a unique role in our world. And the Jewish people fall into this category. Uniquely creative, Inspiring, Inventive, despite its difficulties they have endured for thousands of years.. Despite only being free from the "ghetto" just a few decades ago.. And ethnically cleansed from their Arab homelands.. Have contributed disproportionally to the advancement of the human race.

So after thousands of years of expulsion, Unrelenting, persecution with the lovely and easy scapegoating of the Blood Libel and Mein Kemf, Cusping the holocaust just decades ago, in conjunction with constant demonization of the "little tiny oasis in the ME" in order to appease its Arab oil partners in business. While systematically, the Arabs constantly tried to snuff this "Little Satan" out of the Middle East with constant offensive wars and deadly terror attacks for 6 decades while the West Condemns and banters Israel actions of defense. But no... The absolute least gesture the "Enlightened Community" Aka ( The West) could do is show some mercy & sensitivity understanding for the Jewish existential concern. And now that Iran, the "Country that hasn't attacked anybody in 200 years" says the liberals and pragmatic progressives, has sponsored its share of terrorism against her for several decades and has expressed constant genocide to the Jewish State. But apparently, any Israeli stance on the matter is warmongering trademarked by the Israeli lobby :-\.

And these efforts by the West really wouldn't cost the West that much. I mean, its not like Netanyahu is asking for the West to bomb the railroads to Aushwitz or accepting Jewish Refugee's during the 1938 Avian Conference. What is Bibi really asking for? To Nuke Tehran? To Start a war with American soldiers? Or is he asking to build a political coalition front against the Mullahs from potentially bring back their 12th Imam? Extension on a few more sanctions in hopes for a revolution against the Mullah's?

But ofcourse we have our American and European Realist. Who lecture us on our region and complain about neocons who somehow are under the spell of the "Most powerful lobby in the world". That little tiny Israel has more bang for the buck than Arab oil companies; While adherently trying to persuade our interests in helping Israel become "global powers" and my favorite "Expansionism". But Realist don't want to hear this. They believe a nuclear Iran is okay, its "within there rights". Well, when the failing tinker box middle east has its nuclear arms race at an alarming rate because of Iran, you think this exploding region is going to make you safe and secure in your american and european homes?

But no, lets capitulate instead so that pesky Netanyahu can have his victory dance. Lets not actually put the blame on the Iranian diplomates who violated the NPT and UNSC to obtain WMD capable with months or weeks. How dare Bibi disrupt the interests of Iran, they are "peaceful and innocent and have done nothing wrong."

One day we will learn the hard way but Im sure just like our western politicians, will blame Israel for its "devious" morality yet be very thankful in private that Israel saved the day.. AGAIN.. And.. Took the brunt and responsibility of it.
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