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Old 11-26-2013, 05:19 AM
 
Location: Florida
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You realize that any attack, regardless who does it.. Israel will have the brunt of the blowback right? So even if Israel had nothing to do with it, they would receive retaliation.
Of course. If they believe Iran would use a nuke if they had one, they must believe they will use chemical WMDs, which they do have. One might wonder if Iran was plotting to kill Israelis, why they haven't done so already with their massive stockpiles of chemical and biological WMDs.
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Old 11-26-2013, 05:35 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Of course. If they believe Iran would use a nuke if they had one, they must believe they will use chemical WMDs, which they do have. One might wonder if Iran was plotting to kill Israelis, why they haven't done so already with their massive stockpiles of chemical and biological WMDs.
Because they use hezzbollah for their dirty work.
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Old 11-26-2013, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Because they use hezzbollah for their dirty work.
True, but has Hezbollah used chemical and biological weapons against Israel? No, they have not. If Iran wishes for destruction of Israel, why haven't they gassed them, of have Hezbollah gas them?
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Old 11-26-2013, 06:11 AM
 
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Surrounded does not necessarily mean 100%. When you look at the map, Iran's huge SE border from the southern tip almost up to the northern tip is bordered by Arabs, separated by water or not. Water is not something that can keep enemies away anymore. To the contrary, there are lots of foreign ships in that straight. And other enemies of Iran, namely the US, are in Afghanistan and Pakistan on the other side of Iran's territory. So Iran is surrounded by enemies, as this map of US bases shows:

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/wp-conte...dle-east-a.jpg
Words mean things....You mistakenly stated that Iran was surrounded by Arabs. I don't know if you made this claim due to a geographical error or a lack of knowledge of the ethnic makeup of countries in the region. See definition of surrounded below. It does, in fact mean 100%.

surrounded


1.
to enclose on all sides; encompass: She was surrounded by reporters.


2. to form an enclosure round; encircle: A stone wall surrounds the estate.


3. to enclose (a body of troops, a fort or town, etc.) so as to cut off communication or retreat.


You can argue semantics if it is all you've got.

Now, on to poor little Iran being bullied by the U.S. This is a rogue nation that overtly funds, trains, and equips members of known terror organizations, most notably Hezbollah. You can see absolutely nothing wrong with a state sponsor of terrorism obtaining nuclear weapons? No concern with a state that has vowed to wipe another nation off the face of the earth (albeit one that you have stated not to gives a rats posterior about) possessing nuclear weapons?

The "blame America" ilk is so woefully misguided that they can only see U.S. finger prints on any wrong doing in the world. In fact, there is evil in the world. Evil knows no single race, religion, nationality or political ideology. No single group has a monopoly on the ability to foment evil in the world. You only seem able to blame the U.S.
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Old 11-26-2013, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Words mean things....You mistakenly stated that Iran was surrounded by Arabs. I don't know if you made this claim due to a geographical error or a lack of knowledge of the ethnic makeup of countries in the region. See definition of surrounded below. It does, in fact mean 100%.

surrounded


1.
to enclose on all sides; encompass: She was surrounded by reporters.


2. to form an enclosure round; encircle: A stone wall surrounds the estate.


3. to enclose (a body of troops, a fort or town, etc.) so as to cut off communication or retreat.


You can argue semantics if it is all you've got.
That would mean that Israel is not surrounded by hostile Arab nations either, but that is what people say, and everyone knows what they mean. The truth is that Israel IS SURROUNDED by them.
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Old 11-26-2013, 08:04 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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So, if people don't comply to your demands, you kill them. Sounds like an easy solution, but shouldn't war be used as a last resort?
Isn't that <bold> EXACTLY what's been championed by Iran and other radical Islamists?
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Old 11-26-2013, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Isn't that EXACTLY what's been championed by Iran and other radical Islamists?
It is championed by some CD posters, which puts them on the same level with radical islamists.
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Old 11-26-2013, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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One has to be truly psychotic to believe that 5 million jews are somehow responsible for the 1,400 years of violence occurring in a region with 500 million arab muslims.
Nobody said they were. They are, however, the cause of the United States' perpetual embroilment in ME affairs.
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Old 11-26-2013, 08:38 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Words mean things....You mistakenly stated that Iran was surrounded by Arabs. I don't know if you made this claim due to a geographical error or a lack of knowledge of the ethnic makeup of countries in the region. See definition of surrounded below. It does, in fact mean 100%.

surrounded


1.
to enclose on all sides; encompass: She was surrounded by reporters.


2. to form an enclosure round; encircle: A stone wall surrounds the estate.


3. to enclose (a body of troops, a fort or town, etc.) so as to cut off communication or retreat.


You can argue semantics if it is all you've got.

Now, on to poor little Iran being bullied by the U.S. This is a rogue nation that overtly funds, trains, and equips members of known terror organizations, most notably Hezbollah. You can see absolutely nothing wrong with a state sponsor of terrorism obtaining nuclear weapons? No concern with a state that has vowed to wipe another nation off the face of the earth (albeit one that you have stated not to gives a rats posterior about) possessing nuclear weapons?

The "blame America" ilk is so woefully misguided that they can only see U.S. finger prints on any wrong doing in the world. In fact, there is evil in the world. Evil knows no single race, religion, nationality or political ideology. No single group has a monopoly on the ability to foment evil in the world. You only seem able to blame the U.S.


Your forgot to copy the fourth definition from the Websters site:

to cause to be surrounded by something <surrounded himself with friends>

That obviously does not mean 100% and all around in a local sense.

Of course Iran is not saint, but again, they are the way they are because pricks like the US and Britain have been messing in its internal affairs for a century or more.

Yes, I focus mainly on the US and to a lesser extent on Britain, as those are the two most evil countries in the world in my view... Not so much the citizens, they are mostly clueless, but their governments...
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Old 11-26-2013, 09:03 AM
 
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Your forgot to copy the fourth definition from the Websters site:

to cause to be surrounded by something <surrounded himself with friends>

That obviously does not mean 100% and all around in a local sense.

Of course Iran is not saint, but again, they are the way they are because pricks like the US and Britain have been messing in its internal affairs for a century or more.

Yes, I focus mainly on the US and to a lesser extent on Britain, as those are the two most evil countries in the world in my view... Not so much the citizens, they are mostly clueless, but their governments...

Hard to admit errors I know, but you said surrounded by Arab countries, and now you are trying to wiggle out of that statement by arguing semantics about what surrounded means. Finn is using the same flimsy and faulty logic to defend your initial claims. The seven 'stans are not Arab. Neither are Azerbaijan, Armenia, or Turkey. That leaves Iraq. The only Arab country that shares a land border with Iran. There is the deflection that other Gulf countries share a sea border. Other than Saudi Arabia, which present a military or political threat to Iran? Will Kuwait mobilize the national guard and invade through Iraq or across the Gulf? Will Qatar unilaterally attack across the Gulf? The UAE planning something? Oman preparing to march to Tehran? It is preposterous to base your excuses for Iran's actions on the erroneous claim that their behaviors are justified based on the imagined threat posed by hostile Arab neighbors "surrounding" them.

Again, any wrongdoing in the world is the sole responsibility of western nations to your ilk. Got that. It's dead wrong, but I understand your position. Please document how the U.S. and Britain to a lesser a extent in your opinion, are so evil. How are these two nations most at fault for the wrong in the world today?

Just out of morbid curiosity, what country do you call home? What is your current citizenship? Seems to have direct bearing on the conversation.
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