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It was also Christians who led the abolitionist movement, Christians who spearheaded the women's suffrage movement, and Christians who were at the forefront of the Civil Rights movement.
Are those facts to inconvenient for your religion bashing agenda?
Here is your biblical morality, not the least of which are your false claims .... Were there Christians on the right side of all of those battles? Of course. But the overwhelming weight of institutional Christianity was firmly on the side of slavery, opposed to giving women the right to vote and opposed to civil rights for blacks.
Almost every thread regarding the "inequality of wealth" contains a mention about rich people not having "morals".
You want "morals" in a nation which you want to have no religion.
How is this possible?
I am not a liberal. I don't know a single liberal that wants this country to not have religion. All they want, and me too, is to be sure there is no government mandated religion. Hence the 1st Amendment and the establishment cause.
Morals, as philosophers have noted for thousands of years, come from many sources. Religion is but one.
I am not a liberal. I don't know a single liberal that wants this country to not have religion. All they want, and me too, is to be sure there is no government mandated religion. Hence the 1st Amendment and the establishment cause.
Morals, as philosophers have noted for thousands of years, come from many sources. Religion is but one.
I wasn't aware that there is a government mandate religion.
But I'm waiting for you to explain how religious people who have spent millennia murdering people, fighting wars, selling human beings and fighting human rights are also the same people who you claim are the correct arbiters of morals?
Do you need me to repost what you said? I'd be happy to, in case you're inclined to try to weasel out of it.
Oh, heck. Here it is.
There is nothing of which to "weasel out"
Harrier is being consistent - you are not.
Harrier said that rights come from a source outside human beings(God or nature - take your pick).
You are the one who said that they come from people.
Of course unalienable rights have been denied throughout the course of history.
What do you think the American Revolution was about?
King George III trampled on the rights of the colonists, and they reacted by overthrowing his rule and implementing a government that would secure those rights, which is the sole purpose of government, by the way.
Then what do you base morals on? Majority rule and thought? Hello Hunger Games future.
To a certain extent.
Morality is based on the simplest thing possible. If you don't want others to do some thing to you, then you shouldn't do that to them. Treat others the way you would have them treat you. Simplicity itself. Things that exceed that simple standard are, indeed, set by majority rule. The idea that it is immoral to eat pork in some societies--set by majority rule and thought. The idea that it is immoral to force a cow out of the road--set by majority rule and thought. The idea that women are property---set by majority rule and thought. The idea that women are NOT property---set by majority rule and thought. The idea you shouldn't spare the rod--set by majority rule and thought. The idea that you should spare the rod---set by majority rule and thought. The idea that horse thieves deserve to be put to death---set by majority rule and thought. The idea that the death penalty is barbaric---set by majority rule and thought.
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Many do, that is why many think gay marriage is right when it is wrong.
And many, many more don't seek your judgment on just what is right or wrong.
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