Lefties cry for "morals", but fight public mentions of God. (CNN, claim)

[sanspeur]

Originally Posted by Harrier

It was also Christians who led the abolitionist movement, Christians who spearheaded the women's suffrage movement, and Christians who were at the forefront of the Civil Rights movement.

Are those facts to inconvenient for your religion bashing agenda?

Here is your biblical morality, not the least of which are your false claims .... Were there Christians on the right side of all of those battles? Of course. But the overwhelming weight of institutional Christianity was firmly on the side of slavery, opposed to giving women the right to vote and opposed to civil rights for blacks.

[hoffdano]

Originally Posted by alphamale

Almost every thread regarding the "inequality of wealth" contains a mention about rich people not having "morals".

You want "morals" in a nation which you want to have no religion.

How is this possible?

I am not a liberal. I don't know a single liberal that wants this country to not have religion. All they want, and me too, is to be sure there is no government mandated religion. Hence the 1st Amendment and the establishment cause.

Morals, as philosophers have noted for thousands of years, come from many sources. Religion is but one.

[Taratova]

Originally Posted by jmqueen

Boy, is this a tired meme.

News flash to religious bigots: Some of us don't require a book of fairy tales to tell us what's right and wrong.

Many do, that is why many think gay marriage is right when it is wrong.

[Fox Terrier]

Originally Posted by Harrier

We aren't discussing slavery.

The thread is not about 'rights' either.

It is about morality.

[Taratova]

Originally Posted by jmqueen

And yet, it was Christianity that promoted slavery in the United States, because "Christians" had been taught that blacks were less than human.



Do you see the problem with "religious" standards of morality?

Christians did not believe blacks were less than human..since when did Christianity promote slavery?

[Tele-Cat]

Originally Posted by Taratova

Many do, that is why many think gay marriage is right when it is wrong.

Who died and left you in charge of what's right and wrong?

[petch751]

Originally Posted by hoffdano

I am not a liberal. I don't know a single liberal that wants this country to not have religion. All they want, and me too, is to be sure there is no government mandated religion. Hence the 1st Amendment and the establishment cause.

Morals, as philosophers have noted for thousands of years, come from many sources. Religion is but one.

I wasn't aware that there is a government mandate religion.

[Harrier]

Originally Posted by jmqueen

Of course not, because they're true.

But I'm waiting for you to explain how religious people who have spent millennia murdering people, fighting wars, selling human beings and fighting human rights are also the same people who you claim are the correct arbiters of morals?

Do you need me to repost what you said? I'd be happy to, in case you're inclined to try to weasel out of it.

Oh, heck. Here it is.

There is nothing of which to "weasel out"

Harrier is being consistent - you are not.

Harrier said that rights come from a source outside human beings(God or nature - take your pick).

You are the one who said that they come from people.

Of course unalienable rights have been denied throughout the course of history.

What do you think the American Revolution was about?

King George III trampled on the rights of the colonists, and they reacted by overthrowing his rule and implementing a government that would secure those rights, which is the sole purpose of government, by the way.

Now, what was it that you were trying to say?

[DC at the Ridge]

Originally Posted by txdave35

Then what do you base morals on? Majority rule and thought? Hello Hunger Games future.

To a certain extent.

Morality is based on the simplest thing possible. If you don't want others to do some thing to you, then you shouldn't do that to them. Treat others the way you would have them treat you. Simplicity itself. Things that exceed that simple standard are, indeed, set by majority rule. The idea that it is immoral to eat pork in some societies--set by majority rule and thought. The idea that it is immoral to force a cow out of the road--set by majority rule and thought. The idea that women are property---set by majority rule and thought. The idea that women are NOT property---set by majority rule and thought. The idea you shouldn't spare the rod--set by majority rule and thought. The idea that you should spare the rod---set by majority rule and thought. The idea that horse thieves deserve to be put to death---set by majority rule and thought. The idea that the death penalty is barbaric---set by majority rule and thought.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by Taratova

Many do, that is why many think gay marriage is right when it is wrong.

And many, many more don't seek your judgment on just what is right or wrong.