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How do you justify taking up to 35% of someone's income (premiums and deductibles) to subsidize your care? We are talking folks who are middle class. If you can explain that to me I would appreciate it because nobody has been able to yet..
Middle class people are getting taxed at 35% to pay for others' healthcare? Really?
But that aside... look: it's inevitable that the haves are going to pay something to cover the cost of healthcare for the have nots. Poor people get heart attacks, too, and when they show up at the ER, they get taken care of. Who do you think will pay for that?
I'm not saying it should be X% or Y% - obviously, I don't support the overburdening of anyone, and I'm not going to defend the screwups with Obamacare. My point is simply that healthcare is a unique market in that (1) everyone is in it at some point, (2) no one can afford it out of pocket, and (3) everyone is therefore forced to pitch in to collectively cover each others' costs (aka insurance).
Seriously, conservatives... how do you expect healthcare to work if we don't redistribute the cost burden amongst each other? Have you guys put any thought into this at all?
The ends justify the means? It's O.K. to blatantly lie about something as long as you are O.K. with the end result?
It really doesn't matter if the cost multiply rather than go down by $2500? It's O.K. that you can't keep the policy you have in place if you are happy with it? It's O.K. that you can't continue to go to the doctor that has treated you your entire life because the new policy doesn't accept him?
All of this and more was O.K. to address the problem?
I happen to know a person who is a small businessman. He just about flew threw the damn roof. When he recently realized what his premiums are going to be under this new supposedly inespensive health care bill.
Triple what he currently has. But stupid things that he does not need he is single. Does he need maternity care. Things he did have before he will not with this plan, so what the hell is this point.
He is not the only one that is finding out the truth of this bill. He is an acquaintence, but i know friends and some family who are pissed the hell off right now. Those who voted for this tool, realized this tool dupped them.
The coverage each of these people had, was so much better then what will be offered under OBAMACARE, still his baby?
Give it a rest. Aren't women subsidizing his PSA levels and prostate exams? I've never seen such whining in my life.
"I'll never have kids! Why should I pay for maternity?"
"I don't have a gall bladder! Why should I pay for someone's cholecystectomy?"
"I'm not overweight! Why should I pay for Type 2 diabetes treatment?
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Give it a rest. Aren't women subsidizing his PSA levels and prostate exams? I've never seen such whining in my life.
"I'll never have kids! Why should I pay for maternity?"
"I don't have a gall bladder! Why should I pay for someone's cholecystectomy?"
"I'm not overweight! Why should I pay for Type 2 diabetes treatment?
Why should someone who tries to eat healthy and exercises to keep healthy pay the same as someone who over eats, never exercises and is a heart attack waiting to happen?
Should the person with 5 auto accidents the last 4 years pay the same for his auto insurance as the guy who has had none?
I happen to know a person who is a small businessman. He just about flew threw the damn roof. When he recently realized what his premiums are going to be under this new supposedly inespensive health care bill.
Triple what he currently has. But stupid things that he does not need he is single. Does he need maternity care. Things he did have before he will not with this plan, so what the hell is this point.
He is not the only one that is finding out the truth of this bill. He is an acquaintence, but i know friends and some family who are pissed the hell off right now. Those who voted for this tool, realized this tool dupped them.
The coverage each of these people had, was so much better then what will be offered under OBAMACARE, still his baby?
Joe the Plumber said it (redistribution)
Joe Wilson said it (You lie!)
They were correct.
One thing that I found shocking was the angry backlash at Joe the Plumber for asking Obama a question.
Think about it. Here is a guy running for the highest office in the land and his supporters are angry that a citizen dare ask him a question that isn't preapproved?
Instead of being mad at Obama for his answer...they attacked the citizen that dare ask a question to precious Obama.
Obama has set back transparency in this country in so many different ways.
This lady cited by the president as a success story has now found out that she was under quoted...twice and the government made a mistake...she doesn't qualify for subsidies.
She went from being able to afford healthcare to not having it and paying a fine under Obamacare.
I wonder if she regrets voting for the liar twice?
Ambient, wake up please. Yes, they are getting taxed. Premiums are rising anywhere from 30 to 100%. Can you afford to fork out another $200 a month? On top of that, the out of pocket expenses have risen anywhere from $1K to $5K to $6K. It's like having no insurance at all. Hundreds of thousands of people have lost their insurance. They have to pay much more. They're not wealthy people. When poor people get heart attacks, the hospitals help them get Medicaid if they don't already have it. This exactly happened to my neighbor who had a heart attack, didn't have insurance, and his entire bill was covered by Medicaid. Please wake up and see what is really going on.
The middle class is getting stuck with this. Do you really think the middle class are the "haves?"
I'm adding one more thing: why would the union leaders, who are avid supporters of Obama, agree with every single thing Americans are saying about how Obamacare is hurting them, their jobs, their families. The union leaders wrote a strong letter to Obama, he met with them in the White House, and now they get some kind of pass. They wrote in the letter that basically they put him (Obama) where he is and this law hurts American workers.
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Originally Posted by ambient
Middle class people are getting taxed at 35% to pay for others' healthcare? Really?
But that aside... look: it's inevitable that the haves are going to pay something to cover the cost of healthcare for the have nots. Poor people get heart attacks, too, and when they show up at the ER, they get taken care of. Who do you think will pay for that?
I'm not saying it should be X% or Y% - obviously, I don't support the overburdening of anyone, and I'm not going to defend the screwups with Obamacare. My point is simply that healthcare is a unique market in that (1) everyone is in it at some point, (2) no one can afford it out of pocket, and (3) everyone is therefore forced to pitch in to collectively cover each others' costs (aka insurance).
But that aside... look: it's inevitable that the haves are going to pay something to cover the cost of healthcare for the have nots. Poor people get heart attacks, too, and when they show up at the ER, they get taken care of. Who do you think will pay for that?
Apparently someone other than the middle class was paying for it, because the middle class is getting kicked in the nuts with Obamacare.
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