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How do you justify taking up to 35% of someone's income (premiums and deductibles) to subsidize your care? We are talking folks who are middle class. If you can explain that to me I would appreciate it because nobody has been able to yet..
One thing that I found shocking was the angry backlash at Joe the Plumber for asking Obama a question.
Think about it. Here is a guy running for the highest office in the land and his supporters are angry that a citizen dare ask him a question that isn't preapproved?
Instead of being mad at Obama for his answer...they attacked the citizen that dare ask a question to precious Obama.
Obama has set back transparency in this country in so many different ways.
indeed. i remember the leftist fury at joe by liberals on this forum.
TRANSLATION: I can't refute what the article said. So I'll vaguely deny it without giving reason or evidence, and try to pretend there's something wrong with it anyway, and hope someone believes me instead of it.
That's right, they are all forced wealth-redistribution schemes.
And your point is....??
Right, so we should stop it. First by getting rid of Obamacare, and then working on the rest you mentioned.
Actually you omitted my point that our health care insurance system has, in fact, been a wealth redistribution system by overcharging to the point of gouging people with insurance to make up for the people who are treated and who do not have insurance or have crummy insurance that doesn't cover a lot. And if the entire point of your post is to say the ACA is wealth redistribution, than my point is that wealth redistribution already existed in the old system.
So what ideas do you, any other ACA-haters, have to change the wealth redistribution system in our old insurance system? Because we know how much you detest that kind of system or "scheme" as you call it. We would all welcome your suggestions for fixing the system, as you obviously detest the ACA.
Actually you omitted my point that our health care insurance system has, in fact, been a wealth redistribution system by overcharging to the point of gouging people with insurance to make up for the people who are treated and who do not have insurance or have crummy insurance that doesn't cover a lot. And if the entire point of your post is to say the ACA is wealth redistribution, than my point is that wealth redistribution already existed in the old system.
The strange thing about these people, is that they actually believe that choice, voluntary decision, and taking care of your own life, mean nothing to them... or even to you.
They literally don't see any difference between people deciding what insurance they want, for what eventualities, at what cost, and picking among available options and dropping one for another if the first one isn't suitable for them.....
.....and the government forcing them into a one-size-fits-all policy, forcibly taking their money without checking to see if that disrupts their plans or their lives, and then taking some more to pay to someone else while they're doing it.
Only with such extreme delusions, can they equate normal health care financing with government-forced socialist schemes like Obamacare.
indeed. i remember the leftist fury at joe by liberals on this forum.
'how DARE he question the holy bammers'?!
You mean the same mercenary opportunist as this Joe? You guys are funny. The tea party and a desperate John McCain use this guy in the election (and lose) and then the lunatic fringe elevates him to some kind of leader. He'll even come over to your house and talk to you for $1,000. Why don't you guys all chip in and Joe will come over and tell you how to fix the country.
Dude..healthcare is by definition a redistribution of wealth scheme.
Everyone needs it at some point, and we don't check people's bank accounts before deciding whether to let them die outside the ER or let them in and save their lives. And everyone's care costs money, and the people with money are always going to end up covering the tab one way or another. And nobody can afford the full cost of their care out of pocket, especially when it gets really serious, which is why we have insurance - which anyway is a redistribution of premium dollars from healthy to sick people at any given time.
Because everyone is in the pool when it comes to healthcare, we have to find a way for everyone to contribute what they can.
It's a redistribution because some people are not paying their (full) premium and others are paying it via their taxes.
However, you are completely correct that redistribution was already occurring via the non-payment of incurred healthcare costs by uninsured individuals....were being passed along to the insureds.
The point is there is no free lunch and yes, they were absolutely blowing smoke up peoples behinds when they were dictating major expansions of coverage like no lifetime max and no refusal to insure pre-existing conditions while claiming cost savings.
There are some positives to the whole thing, just pointing out the obvious that politicians sometimes lie to people and paint a rosey picture to get them to go along with the plan.
The strange thing about these people, is that they actually believe that choice, voluntary decision, and taking care of your own life, mean nothing to them... or even to you.
They literally don't see any difference between people deciding what insurance they want, for what eventualities, at what cost, and picking among available options and dropping one for another if the first one isn't suitable for them.....
.....and the government forcing them into a one-size-fits-all policy, forcibly taking their money without checking to see if that disrupts their plans or their lives, and then taking some more to pay to someone else while they're doing it.
Only with such extreme delusions, can they equate normal health care financing with government-forced socialist schemes like Obamacare.
You did not really address the question, so I'll make it simple. What is your idea to replace the wealth redistribution system that we have had? Because I've been paying for other people's care. Obama is trying to cover those people. Got any ideas of your own at all?
Because I've been paying for other people's care. Obama is trying to cover those people.
And with what money is Lord Obama going to cover those who do not pay their own way? With more of your money, and more of my money, while the recipients get a free ride. Where do you see a change in that you won't continue to pay for them?
These days the word [redistribution] is particularly toxic at the White House, where it has been hidden away to make the Affordable Care Act more palatable to the public and less a target for Republicans, who have long accused Democrats of seeking “socialized medicine.” But the redistribution of wealth has always been a central feature of the law and lies at the heart of the insurance market disruptions driving political attacks this fall.
They must be RWNJs, racist, Tea party conspiracy freaks over at the NYT, eh?
And with what money is Lord Obama going to cover those who do not pay their own way? With more of your money, and more of my money, while the recipients get a free ride. Where do you see a change in that you won't continue to pay for them?
Where is the taxpayer money going to come from, to give insurance companies billions of dollars, for the millions of people $10,000 getting free health care premiums?
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