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Old 11-26-2013, 06:46 PM
 
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Exactly, that's why it won't happen. Its all but openly stated that reproduction is solely under the control of women.
Men have birth control choices too... Birth Control for Men. Just because there aren't as many options doesn't mean there aren't any options.

This looks interesting too: Better Birth Control for Men: 8 Promising Possibilities. Interestingly enough, including a birth control pill for men.

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Dr. Nnaemeka Amobi and his team are researching a hormone-free method that has been dubbed the “clean sheets pill” because it decreases or eliminates semen emission while leaving intact the sensation of ejaculation and the pleasure of male orgasm. The pill works by relaxing just the muscles in the vas deferens that normally propel sperm-containing semen forward and out. Without the forward propulsion, circular muscle contractions essentially close down the passage. Reducing or eliminating emission of semen not only prevents pregnancy, it also decreases the spread of semen-born diseases, including HIV. The hope is that this medication can be delivered via pills that men take before sex, much like Viagra.
I think one of the other options, gamendazole, is also a pill based on how they wrote about it.
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Old 11-26-2013, 06:46 PM
 
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I think that might be more of a biological factor than purposeful discrimination on men.
If you say so. There is one thing that would make the whole deal fair. Of course a man doesn't, and shouldn't, have the option to compel a woman to have an abortion. But if the man states that he doesn't want the child, and she insists on having and keeping it, the man should be released from all obligations. Of course, that will never happen, either. Men and women each have 50% agency in conceiving the child, but men have 0% agency in what happens after that.
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Old 11-26-2013, 06:48 PM
 
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The one thing that would make the whole deal fair is for men to grow or be implanted with uteruses and bear children too.
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Old 11-26-2013, 06:49 PM
 
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No two ways about it Roger, there is no 100 percent effectiveness of any birth control. He could forget to take just as much as women do.
I work at a biopharmaceutical manufacturer, and we have access to all the latest research journals and articles.

Don't know if it's available to the general public, but there's an article called "Small-Molecule Inhibition
of BRDT for Male Contraception." Apparently, there's a new drug being researched that specifically attacks only the stem cells that become sperm cells. Although they can regenerate once the male stops taking the drug, it takes several weeks, even months.

So even if a man forgot to take the pill one day, his fertility would still be impaired for a reasonably long time; it would take a conscious effort to not take a male-pill for a month or two straight.
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Old 11-26-2013, 06:50 PM
 
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If you say so. There is one thing that would make the whole deal fair. Of course a man doesn't, and shouldn't, have the option to compel a woman to have an abortion. But if the man states that he doesn't want the child, and she insists on having and keeping it, the man should be released from all obligations. Of course, that will never happen, either. Men and women each have 50% agency in conceiving the child, but men have 0% agency in what happens after that.
Then a man should be more careful who he sleeps with... know the woman's character better. The obligation is to the child, not to the woman. The child didn't ask the two adults to have sex and for it to be conceived.

Did you read the link on the eight promising methods? Kind of cool that a male pill is one of them I think.
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Old 11-26-2013, 06:51 PM
 
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Yes, condoms and vasectomies in the face of women's 20 choices, both pre- and post-conception. Seems pretty square. /sarc
Even though up until very recently the vast majority of medical research has been driven by men. You just make no sense at all.
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Old 11-26-2013, 06:52 PM
 
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I work at a biopharmaceutical manufacturer, and we have access to all the latest research journals and articles.

Don't know if it's available to the general public, but there's an article called "Small-Molecule Inhibition
of BRDT for Male Contraception." Apparently, there's a new drug being researched that specifically attacks only the stem cells that become sperm cells. Although they can regenerate once the male stops taking the drug, it takes several weeks, even months.

So even if a man forgot to take the pill one day, his fertility would still be impaired for a reasonably long time; it would take a conscious effort to not take a male-pill for a month or two straight.
That's in the article I just quoted above
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Old 11-26-2013, 06:52 PM
 
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The new drug in the article I just mentioned also does NOT attack the cells that produce testosterone (which is responsible for male sex drive); it only attacks the sperm stem cells.
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Old 11-26-2013, 06:53 PM
 
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The one thing that would make the whole deal fair is for men to grow or be implanted with uteruses and bear children too.
Ok, sounds good. I don't think you'd actually like where that would lead, though. Bearing children is really the only thing men truly "need" women for.
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Old 11-26-2013, 06:54 PM
 
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If you say so. There is one thing that would make the whole deal fair. Of course a man doesn't, and shouldn't, have the option to compel a woman to have an abortion. But if the man states that he doesn't want the child, and she insists on having and keeping it, the man should be released from all obligations. Of course, that will never happen, either. Men and women each have 50% agency in conceiving the child, but men have 0% agency in what happens after that.
It will never happen because I, the tax payer, don't want to pay for your brood. And men have 0% of the responsibility, harm, pain, and consequences of the physicality of abortion or birth. But, you're incapable of grasping this.
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