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Old 11-27-2013, 01:03 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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I'm sorry you feel that way. Hard work and intelligence have honestly helped me, I'm sorry they aren't working for some, or are those people not hard-working or intelligent. Is getting a 4.0 in college with an art degree intelligent? The guy worked hard, and he get good grades, but is he that intelligent to think art will give him a decent wage.
Well, it might result in a good living if he starts an ad agency. Advertising can result in big money, if you know what you're doing.
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Old 11-27-2013, 03:55 PM
 
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Yup, you say that whenever things go above your head. I'll try to use simpler language next time.
That's your stock response: "You're not smart enough to comprehend our brilliance".

Ehhh... No, I got smarter a while back, which is why I rejected your juvenile politics.
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Old 11-27-2013, 07:31 PM
 
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Because I don't want to live in a country where children go hungry. Do you?
Put your money where your mouth is. Go ahead and give out your personal money to other people so that they can raise their own children..
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Old 11-27-2013, 07:33 PM
 
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By denying the vote to people on public assistance, you're disproportionately disenfranchising women, the elderly, renters, people with mental and physical disabilities, minorities, and, obviously, lower income. Meaning that rich, white male landowners will have even more power than they already do.

It's not about race, it's about justice.
Explain to me why people who don't pay taxes get to say how to spend other people's money?
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Old 11-27-2013, 07:44 PM
 
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Fair enough.

Why would the rich people to be on benefit? To reduce the cost of employees for one. If employees are paid the absolute minimum, and grateful for it then profits are maximized for the business employing them. Yes I know-those employees are also the purchasers, but I guarantee you most people don't really get this.

Why should the taxpayers be responsible for aising other peoples children? I have no idea, its not the argument *I* made. It was yours. you said people that couldnt afford to raise their children should have them placed in foster care...who exactly do you think pays for that? The people that couldn't afford the children?

Giving them free money just encourages them. Really? Poverty is such an encouragement. Its so fun! everyone should try it! No....no its not. Those "welfare moms" you refer to? you have any idea what a hell it is to raise 8 kids? *I* do, and I had more money then the welfare moms!

You are right, government handouts DO hold people back, not because hey free money! but because of how they are. Because in many cases trying to do better makes things worse. I personally believe that any assistance to cap poverty at a certain lower boundary should be given to all with no income requirements. That way its ALWAYS better to try and better yourself. But thats just me.

But seriously, the whole idea that you lose your right to vote just because you're poor is in my opinion foolish in the extreme.
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Old 11-27-2013, 08:46 PM
 
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Fair enough.

Why would the rich people to be on benefit? To reduce the cost of employees for one. If employees are paid the absolute minimum, and grateful for it then profits are maximized for the business employing them. Yes I know-those employees are also the purchasers, but I guarantee you most people don't really get this.

Why should the taxpayers be responsible for aising other peoples children? I have no idea, its not the argument *I* made. It was yours. you said people that couldnt afford to raise their children should have them placed in foster care...who exactly do you think pays for that? The people that couldn't afford the children?

Giving them free money just encourages them. Really? Poverty is such an encouragement. Its so fun! everyone should try it! No....no its not. Those "welfare moms" you refer to? you have any idea what a hell it is to raise 8 kids? *I* do, and I had more money then the welfare moms!

You are right, government handouts DO hold people back, not because hey free money! but because of how they are. Because in many cases trying to do better makes things worse. I personally believe that any assistance to cap poverty at a certain lower boundary should be given to all with no income requirements. That way its ALWAYS better to try and better yourself. But thats just me.

But seriously, the whole idea that you lose your right to vote just because you're poor is in my opinion foolish in the extreme.
If you think poor people don't want to be on welfare, you are living in a fantasy world not the reality. You are detached from the reality, you don't know what you are talking about.

Go talk to a few social workers, you will see what I mean. A few actually on this board routinely comment on this subject.
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Old 11-27-2013, 08:59 PM
 
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Economic inequality would not be so bad if we had economic mobility. Unfortunately, Horatio Algers stories are just that.

We live in a world where the poor stay poor and the rich stay rich.....hardly American.


While economic mobility is fairly fluid between the extremes, it is stagnant among the extremes. This is hardly American.....your birth status should not determine your lot in life, but unfortunately it does.

This needs to be fixed.
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Old 11-27-2013, 09:10 PM
 
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If you think poor people don't want to be on welfare, you are living in a fantasy world not the reality. You are detached from the reality, you don't know what you are talking about.

Go talk to a few social workers, you will see what I mean. A few actually on this board routinely comment on this subject.
I think the uneducated love being on welfare because they have no skills to get a decent paying job. So they just live off the system and some have kid after kid. The educated that have had to go on welfare because they lost their job are mortified and embarrassed.
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Old 11-27-2013, 09:20 PM
 
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I think the uneducated love being on welfare because they have no skills to get a decent paying job. So they just live off the system and some have kid after kid. The educated that have had to go on welfare because they lost their job are mortified and embarrassed.
Of course you believe that, you are a Con. However, the data shows that most welfare goes to to households with the elderly, children, WORKING poor, and disabled.
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Old 11-27-2013, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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If I had enormous wealth I would share it for sure. I mean how many millions does a person need.
Very true. But would you rather choose where it goes or have the government decide for you?
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