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Old 11-28-2013, 11:48 AM
 
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Seems a lot of replies aren't getting the main gist of the article - that the manager freely decided to not work on Thanksgiving yet was not fired immediately. Instead, he was asked for a letter of resignation in order for the franchisee to avoid unemployment compensation and/or a potential lawsuit. The manager offered a defense instead.

Had the employee been fired outright without the request for a resignation letter, maybe the folks here who are supporting the franchisee would have a leg to stand on.

And people are comparing Pizza Hut to critical service jobs where employees get double time or more for working holidays? C'mon.

I owned a coffeehouse for seven years. We were open every holiday except Christmas for a half day (and our final year we opened for Christmas as we didn't have travel plans). However, on most holidays my wife and I were the only people working. We did that out of support to the community. We made money. Morning business was brisk and on holidays tips were insane - the customers who came out were truly delighted to have a local place open. But we would never force an employee to work that day.
i am not supporting one or the other. i think the franchisee has the ultimate choice of whether to stay open or not, but i can understand the reasoning fo the manager to close, if he had that power. i disagree with the franchisee firing the manager, or even asking for his resignation, i think that is a poor business practice when the manager is looking out for the employees. and if the manager based his decision on a sound business reasoning, for instance in the past the restaurant has not done well by being open on thanksgiving, then is would support the decision, better to make no money than to lose money.
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Old 11-28-2013, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Maui County, HI
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Was my point addressing the extreme? Yes it was. I worked at a local pizza store on Christmas. I didn't complain about "the man". The owner even popped in for 10 minutes and it was obvious that he had been partaking in the Christmas spirits.

I could have refused and been fired. I worked instead. The world didn't end.
It would be nice if people applied "Don't tread on me" to their work.
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Old 11-28-2013, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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Pizza Hut manager offered job back after Thanksgiving disagreement - CNN.com

Now he is being his job back. They shouldn't have forced him to write a letter of resignation to begin with. What do you think?
He knew/knows the terms of his employment so I'm curious about what he did on the previous 9 Thanksgivings?

[or was this the first one he had to work?]
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Old 11-28-2013, 11:55 AM
 
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I owned a coffeehouse for seven years. We were open every holiday except Christmas for a half day (and our final year we opened for Christmas as we didn't have travel plans). However, on most holidays my wife and I were the only people working. We did that out of support to the community. We made money. Morning business was brisk and on holidays tips were insane - the customers who came out were truly delighted to have a local place open. But we would never force an employee to work that day.
A bit of a contradiction there. Either you and your wife worked the holidays alone or you worked most of the holidays alone where you did have others working also.
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Old 11-28-2013, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Houston
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It would be nice if people applied "Don't tread on me" to their work.
When you are on someone else's property you obey their rules.
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Old 11-28-2013, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Canada
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I've had to work holidays many times. Many people do. What if air traffic controllers simply decided they were going to shut down on a holiday?

It sure would suck for you if you had a heart attack and called for an ambulance only to hear a recording to call back tomorrow as they took the holiday's off.
Not quite the same thing as shutting a pizza shop, is it?
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Old 11-28-2013, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Canada
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When you are on someone else's property you obey their rules.
By that line of reasoning, I'm going to implement a "surrender all your money" rule for people who set foot on my property.
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Old 11-28-2013, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Currently living in Reddit
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A bit of a contradiction there. Either you and your wife worked the holidays alone or you worked most of the holidays alone where you did have others working also.
No contradiction. On the last two New Year's Days we had one employee volunteer to come in because they weren't going out on NYE and they genuinely wanted to be at the shop instead of home alone.
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Old 11-28-2013, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Houston
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By that line of reasoning, I'm going to implement a "surrender all your money" rule for people who set foot on my property.
Don't think I will set foot on your property.
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Old 11-28-2013, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Don't think I will set foot on your property.
Well I would change the rules by decree. I'd draw you in under one set of rules and then change the rules while you're here.
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