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As far as I'm concerned both parties are pack full of hypocrites. They both are beholden to the special interests money and both will stab their own constituents in the back in a heart beat, frequently choosing to represent the big money donations over the interests of the very voters that put them in office.
Members of both parties will say one thing on the evening news broadcasts for the sound bite, and then vote an entirely different way in Congress. Many will outright give different speeches taking opposing positions on an issue depending on which audience they are speaking to.
But what gets me is when a politician looks at the vote counts, and then decides how he'll vote based on whether or not his particular vote is needed to pass a piece of legislation or not. In reality he's making a cold calculated decision to sell his vote. For example when his party is leaning one way and his constituents are leaning the other. It allows him or her to talk the talk but not walk the walk.
Both parties are full of hypocrites, and until dirty special interests money is removed from the equation politicians from both sides will continue to be hypocrites. Unfortunately, the fox is guarding the hen house, because the very corrupt hypocritical politicians that are stabbing the voters in the back are the only ones capable of changing the campaign finance laws that allows our politicians to be so hypocritical.
Regarding basing their party on 'moral' principles, the GOP is definitely a party of hypocrites. If you are not already rich or do not intend to become rich, the GOP has very little to offer the average American. The GOP exists to make life better and more sustainable for the rich. Anyone else has no purpose in participating in the GOP. To so do is to be a 'water-carrier' for the rich. Because the GOP fundamentally favors the rich, it is fundamentally anti-democratic.
Last edited by ParkTwain; 11-25-2007 at 09:29 PM..
Regarding basing their party on 'moral' principles, the GOP is definitely a party of hypocrites. If you are not already rich or do not intend to become rich, the GOP has very little to offer the average American. The GOP exists to make life better and more sustainable for the rich. Anyone else has no purpose in participating in the GOP. To so do is to be a 'water-carrier' for the rich.
Only cowards believe themselves incapable of becoming successful.
Clinton was not charged with getting BJ's.. get that out of your head.. He was charged with lying about it. Similar to Martha Stuart who went to jail, Libby who went to Jail and Bonds, who will most likely face jail.
A president is not above the law, and lying to a grand jury is a crime.. Stop trying to twist facts and make it about BJ's because it had nothing to do with BJ's. After all, if Stuart can go to jail simply for lying about trading a stock, and Bonds, for simply taking steroids.. then perhapse Clinton should have followed the same course of action.
Why are Bush & Cheney out on the streets when they committed treason by divulging a CIA agents name in the press?
Ahh yes, times of peace under Clinton.. Doesnt get any more peaceful then this..
yeah sure we had a few in incidents like that, but was the loss of life as high under Clinton as it has been under Bush. Lets see what are we up to around 7 or 8 thousand American lives lost under his Watch?
Why are Bush & Cheney out on the streets when they committed treason by divulging a CIA agents name in the press?
Also, did Libby spend ANY time in jail?
Wait, your stating three different arguments that contradict each other.
First, your stating that Bush and Cheney outed the CIA agent, then your stating that Libby did.. What one is it? All I can see is that Libby has been found guilty, and has had to pay $250,000 in fines, + other actions. Yes, the jail part of his setence was commuted, but how is this any different then the hundreds of people Clinton pardoned?
Want to blame Bush.. Fine, show me the court documents or the video tapes of Bush, or Cheney outing the already outed CIA agent. Remember, Libby wasnt found guilty of outing the CIA agent.. he was found guilty of LYING about it. (mm, similar to Clintons, isnt that what I stated?)
The proper thing would have been for Clinton to step down.. be found guilty, and then Gore give him a pardon.. He doesnt get a pass because he was president..
yeah sure we had a few in incidents like that, but was the loss of life as high under Clinton as it has been under Bush. Lets see what are we up to around 7 or 8 thousand American lives lost under his Watch?
We have had 3876 deaths in Iraq as of 11/22/2007, but we are in a WAR.. we have invaded a country.. We have sent hundreds of thousands of our own citizens to invade, WITH the Democratic approval.. Whats your point? Bush is 100% to blame for the 1% death rate that we have seen in a WAR, approved by everyone?
I guess it was better to be attacked, and turn our backs under Clinton, then actually take actions, supported by the UN, AND the Democrats. Regardless of your approval or non approval of the war.. Democrats do not deserve a pass on this one.
I guess it was much better to be killing our own citizens under Clinton (Janet Reno), then killing terrorists under Bush.. Wow.. thats a standing I would never want to defend.
They are caught between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, if they have ideals that for the most part, are not embodied by this President who is of their party, and on the other hand, a party whose ideals are vastly different in many ways.
I think they will choose whom they believe to be the lesser of two evils. Only in 2004, the lesser of the two evils was John Kerry, and I suspect many Republicans knew this, but got so caught up in abortion and gay rights(their party boss' favorite splinter issues) and what they perceive to be moral issues, that they decided to vote for Dubya again.
And in 2008, will vote for their party's candidate again, even though they might not really agree with them that much.
But let's be honest, we democrats do it too, only difference is, this time around, we dems actually are on the right side. It happens from time to time.
Last edited by 18Montclair; 11-26-2007 at 12:54 AM..
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