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No, not everyone is doing it. But in all cases it's a GROWING fad. That's the key, it's becoming more common than less common. Black people would have never though of bleaching their skin in the 80s when I was growing up. People were taught to be proud of who they are, and to make your race great. Not use your race to make you great. It's in reverse now. Seems like people, moreso in the past are trying to hide behind their race, or believe that admission into a certain group will seem to help them out in some way.
I can tell you it's VERY big in the asian community. I have a lot of Asian male friends, and I've heard them blow the lid off of this one completely. There is a lot of self hate amongst the women in the asian community. And they do nothing short of worship white men. No all of them won't take it to the level of getting eylelid surgery since I'm sure most of them can't afford it. But to even pretend that this isn't endemic amongst asians is ignorance.
Then you have latinos. To some degree I see two things with them. Some of them are really old school, and back in the 80s when I was growing up, Latina women really wanted to be with white men. It was heavily encouraged in Latina communities to marry white, take on white names, and integrate with society. These days, it's harder to tell where they stand on the issue. But I've found more pride and resistence to white supremecy from that group in more recent times. But I also realize it depends where in the country you are. Here in California, Latinos really don't white worship. In my home town of KC and in Atlanta, white worship is pretty big in the latino community.
In either case, I'm finding that this whole mantra of racial integration has side effects and trade offs. As we try to integrate as a society, it seems that the trade off is self hate. Self image problems, and the need to distance yourself from your race. And it's not exclusive to any race, because from what I can tell white people have it the worse.
Once again you are taking merely anecdotal experiences from your personal (and obviously limited) life and applying it to the whole. Your post is overly simplistic and lacks a general understanding of the multitude of socioeconomic and broader racially-based societal factors involved.
FYI, the practice of skin bleaching/whitening has been around for many, many centuries and did not originate with black Americans. Hair relaxers (chemical straightening of hair) has been around for 100 years. And your view on the reasons that women (and men) of color "worship" white men (and women) is far too simplistic in comprehension and its scope would really require a thread topic all its own to sufficiently be addressed.
Perhaps your thread would not have been such an epic fail had you decided to select one of the several topics that were touched upon in your original post in order to have a more in-depth discussion. As it stands, your thread covers too many different topics and you have demonstrated that you do not grasp the depth of the issues at hand.
I don't hate myself. I have always been a non conformistBow I dressed, talked, the tbings I like to do etc. I got teased and pusbed around as a kid because of it. So, I tried to change, vet more "normal" Tried out for sports, tried to dress "cooler" yada yada, only to find myself less accepted tban before. It was an easy matter go just go back to being me
The media breeds social dysfunction. The self-hate you're observing in many groups is a direct result of constant negative media exposure ("all white people are racist" "all black males are criminals" "all latinos are illegal aliens" et. al). People need to wise up and turn off the TV/internet/game-playing and start interacting with live human beings again.
I really don't want to talk about Canada. I realize that racial dynamics in every country is different. But I do look at this as an American (more specifically a USA) issue. I don't know how things play out in Canada, but I'm sure it's not without it's own racial issues.
My point was about how Canada fairly successfully reduced racism by a huge % over a 40 year period. Of course there is still a ways to go but we have come a long, long way. Our solution to the problem was much like the same way smoking was addressed. Forty years ago I hardly knew anyone who didn't smoke and now I hardly know anyone who does. It has become and it is increasingly socially unacceptable to be a smoker. There is a definite stigma attached to those who smoke. That did not happen in a vacuum all on it's own. It takes a concerted effort across the entire social spectrum to effect a change like that. All school children today in Canada are taught that racists are just the lowest of the low, completely anti Canadian and have no place in our society. If one of those children's parents is a racist, well that is too bad, we teach the kids just the same anyways. Any kind of racist comment by a public figure and guess what? They are done, their public career destroyed and a big black mark posted against them for a long time.
Hey, I was raised in the 50s and 60s and I know how far the USA has come in this area since then. A really long, long way. I see a big problem that people are resting on this distance that has been come when there is still a long way to go. We see what happened to Paula Dean and that is good and proper but there are thousands in the public sphere that get a pass for some reason. Racism is bad, period, it's inexcusable always, period, and as long as there is tacit approval of it, it will be difficult to reduce any more than it has been.
I first noticed self hatred in the black community way back in the 1960's when I was a kid.
I saw hair care products that enabled black people seeking "good hair", to straighten and relax their hair. Others as they become wealthier, choose to lighten their complexions and speak whiter or more "proper english" [what does that mean anyway?] as if english was invented in America instead if England. And yes more biracial people are choosing to identify as white when it really shouldnt matter. But America was founded upon and began sending the message via the media long ago, that being dark is unacceptable, unattractive and indecent. Everything ugly and immoral in this country is attributed to darker people. To be pure, chaste and proper is to be light or white. So as messages like this are implied socially among our national society, younger people may interpret them as what is desirable. But whatever ethnicity, no one seems to be happy in their own skin since everyone else keeps boasting that the grass is greener in some other skin.
why add that into the mix? I didn't choose the way I speak (I'm black from a middle class background), but I also don't buy into the "talking black/talking white" idea. I talk like someone who spent most of my early life in the suburbs and in private schools, which doesn't make me a self hater or any less black.
This thread may get locked, but no one is really talking about this as a whole on any blogs I've seen on the internet. However I must address the issue in America today with self-hate. And it's just not self hate prevalent in any one group, it's across the board. I consider myself the quintessential extroverted loner. Meaning I go out, I'm always on the streets, but I'm also not talking, and putting myself in a group. With out of the way, I've been traveling for work, and seeing a lot of things that don't suit well with me. But it's ok, because I think it's a good thing that it's happening.
I'll explain...
We have black people saying that they're mixed, when 30 years ago they would have said they were black. We have white people trying to align themselves with other cultures. White people have self hatred the worst. American cruisines have disappeared in liberal big cities, and you sometimes find more asian restaurants that cruises that is synonymous with America. Then you have asian women getting eyelid surgery, and bleaching their skin to look whiter. Shunning men of their own cultural and ethnic heritage to try to get with the white majority. The only group who doesn't seem to hate themselves is Latino, only because they're sure they'll be able to pass for white completely in the next generation. But everyone is trying to cater to the next group, who in turn hates themselves. It's a full circle.
You have black people trying to not be black, so they're saying they're mixed or latino because they feel it's more acceptable. Then you have asians trying to Europeanize themselves to try to appeal to the white man. You have Latinos desperately trying to assimilate their lighter skin populations to be white. And at the top of the chain, you have our whites and your WASP feeling shame and guilt, trying to renounce their culture.
No one is proud of who they are anymore. Everyone hates themselves, and they're trying to be the next thing. But this is a good thing. Why?
Because in all honesty, it's the progression of diversity. When you introduce more cultures into the eco-system, people will envy another culture. And it's not a race problem, it's cultural envy. And let's be real, it's pretty damn disgusting and ugly. But it needs to happen. Things need to be as bad as they can possibly get before they get better. Because I do believe at the end of the swamp we called the melting pot, there is a brighter rainbow called individualism and meritocracy.
I think the next generation will look at the previous generation and get sick to their stomach the way this generation is carrying on with self hate and envy. They will wise up, and decry the practices of their parents. And we'll have authentic integration amongst groups, instead of this force fed BS we have now days in cities like Seattle and San Francisco.
Anyway, this will probably get locked, but hopefully someone will be able to see it.
Well, Latinos are NOT a race. Latinos can be of ANY race or racial admixtures. Based on your claims and logic for black peoples and self hating, that would also logically equate to or be applicable to Latinos since they have the same lineage and mixture that many African American USA blacks have.
Every group has ppl that are self hating.
Ppl marrying outside of their race is not always because of self hate. Love is love. You also have many ppl that get rejected by their own racial group when looking for ppl to date and marry of their own race, but they get turned down, so they go seek and find love from elsewhere. It goes both ways.
And again, a person's identity choice is personal. Don't hold on to self haters. Let self haters continue to self hate. Focus on the more important stuff.
Once again you are taking merely anecdotal experiences from your personal (and obviously limited) life and applying it to the whole. Your post is overly simplistic and lacks a general understanding of the multitude of socioeconomic and broader racially-based societal factors involved.
FYI, the practice of skin bleaching/whitening has been around for many, many centuries and did not originate with black Americans. Hair relaxers (chemical straightening of hair) has been around for 100 years. And your view on the reasons that women (and men) of color "worship" white men (and women) is far too simplistic in comprehension and its scope would really require a thread topic all its own to sufficiently be addressed.
Perhaps your thread would not have been such an epic fail had you decided to select one of the several topics that were touched upon in your original post in order to have a more in-depth discussion. As it stands, your thread covers too many different topics and you have demonstrated that you do not grasp the depth of the issues at hand.
The media breeds social dysfunction. The self-hate you're observing in many groups is a direct result of constant negative media exposure ("all white people are racist" "all black males are criminals" "all latinos are illegal aliens" et. al). People need to wise up and turn off the TV/internet/game-playing and start interacting with live human beings again.
Word. Many ppl making claims these days especially on the Internet are just ASSuming and going based on simplistic perceptions or observations. Many ppl don't actually travel or interact with ppl in person. If ppl would travel and interact more with others this world would be a better place and there would be better understanding mutually between individuals.
This thread may get locked, but no one is really talking about this as a whole on any blogs I've seen on the internet. However I must address the issue in America today with self-hate. And it's just not self hate prevalent in any one group, it's across the board. I consider myself the quintessential extroverted loner. Meaning I go out, I'm always on the streets, but I'm also not talking, and putting myself in a group. With out of the way, I've been traveling for work, and seeing a lot of things that don't suit well with me. But it's ok, because I think it's a good thing that it's happening.
I'll explain...
We have black people saying that they're mixed, when 30 years ago they would have said they were black. We have white people trying to align themselves with other cultures. White people have self hatred the worst. American cruisines have disappeared in liberal big cities, and you sometimes find more asian restaurants that cruises that is synonymous with America. Then you have asian women getting eyelid surgery, and bleaching their skin to look whiter. Shunning men of their own cultural and ethnic heritage to try to get with the white majority. The only group who doesn't seem to hate themselves is Latino, only because they're sure they'll be able to pass for white completely in the next generation. But everyone is trying to cater to the next group, who in turn hates themselves. It's a full circle.
You have black people trying to not be black, so they're saying they're mixed or latino because they feel it's more acceptable. Then you have asians trying to Europeanize themselves to try to appeal to the white man. You have Latinos desperately trying to assimilate their lighter skin populations to be white. And at the top of the chain, you have our whites and your WASP feeling shame and guilt, trying to renounce their culture.
No one is proud of who they are anymore. Everyone hates themselves, and they're trying to be the next thing. But this is a good thing. Why?
Because in all honesty, it's the progression of diversity. When you introduce more cultures into the eco-system, people will envy another culture. And it's not a race problem, it's cultural envy. And let's be real, it's pretty damn disgusting and ugly. But it needs to happen. Things need to be as bad as they can possibly get before they get better. Because I do believe at the end of the swamp we called the melting pot, there is a brighter rainbow called individualism and meritocracy.
I think the next generation will look at the previous generation and get sick to their stomach the way this generation is carrying on with self hate and envy. They will wise up, and decry the practices of their parents. And we'll have authentic integration amongst groups, instead of this force fed BS we have now days in cities like Seattle and San Francisco.
Anyway, this will probably get locked, but hopefully someone will be able to see it.
Also keep in mind that NOT all black ppl in the USA are of traditional colonial USA Black American ancestry. So that further complexifies these issues and dynamics and shows how these issues are more nuanced.
Self hate is only a small issue. It's not as rampant as you are making it out to be. In fact most ppl are on with their daily lives on their hustle and grind trying to work hard and/or make it day by day.
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