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Old 12-12-2013, 11:52 AM
 
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You have that completely backwards, as usual. There is lots of evidence that the planet has warmed slightly (+0.51°C) in the last 130 years, and absolutely no evidence that humans had anything to do with that warming. Your overwhelming desire to create a fascist Marxist state by blaming everything on humans whom you desire to control is what makes it a religion. You do not care about science or facts, as long as you can blame everything on humans so you can tax them, control them, and redistribute their wealth. Without the ability to blame humans for everything, you have absolutely nothing. Which is why AGW is a liberal freak scam.
Whoa whoa whoa, what does any of this have to do with anthropogenic climate change?? How does this "fascist marxist state" benefit by transitioning to sustainable energy? As a world, we are constantly progressing. In the past century, there were huge advances in agriculture to accomodate a rapidly growing population. Now we know there is overwhelming evidence that this massive population is swiftly degrading our atmosphere, we look to innovation to halt and reverse the problem. Innovation through sustainable renewable energy is going to be key to keeping the earth from self destruction.
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Old 12-12-2013, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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And from around 1000 to 1400, the Vikings were able to farm sheep and grow barley in Greenland after they cleared parts of the birch forests that covered the southern fjords.

What's your point?
We are currently growing barley, wheat, beets, potatoes, turnips, spinach, lettuce, cucumbers, collard greens, carrots, cabbage, and broccoli in interior Alaska. We also raise poultry, pigs, beef, sheep, and reindeer in Alaska for their meat. There are also several diary farms in Alaska.

As far as Alaska is concerned, Global Warming is a good thing.
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Old 12-12-2013, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Whoa whoa whoa, what does any of this have to do with anthropogenic climate change?? How does this "fascist marxist state" benefit by transitioning to sustainable energy? As a world, we are constantly progressing. In the past century, there were huge advances in agriculture to accomodate a rapidly growing population. Now we know there is overwhelming evidence that this massive population is swiftly degrading our atmosphere, we look to innovation to halt and reverse the problem. Innovation through sustainable renewable energy is going to be key to keeping the earth from self destruction.
It has absolutely everything to do with AGW. Which is why the subject is entirely partisan. The ONLY people that support AGW are those who view it as an opportunity to use it as a vehicle to tax and control the population. Ask yourself, who is pushing for "carbon taxes," who is pushing for more control over industry and people in general, who is locking up all our natural resources so we cannot produce energy? The answer is liberal freaks who desperately desire a fascist Marxist utopia.

Instead of adapting to climate changes these fascist Marxist liberal freaks want to pretend that we do not exist by "reducing our carbon footprint", and they are eager to tax people to death in order to accomplish that single objective. They could care less about climate change. To these liberal freaks global warming is only about an opportunity to impose more taxation and government control. All you have to do is listen to them, it is the ONLY solution that they provide.

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Old 12-12-2013, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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The frequency of volcanic activity has also increased significantly in the last 100 years, but the AGW scammers will never tell you that little fact. It would defeat their goal of establishing a fascist Marxist utopia.

In Alaska alone there have been 257 eruptions from 36 different volcanoes in the last century (1913-2013). During the century prior to that (1813-1913) there were 139 eruptions from 33 different volcanoes. During the century prior to that (1713-1813) there were 50 eruptions from 24 different volcanoes. The volcanoes on the Russian Kamchatka Peninsula and Kuril Islands are showing a similar increase in activity.

Even though there was a 85% increase in volcanic eruptions in Alaska from the previous century, CO2 levels only increased from 301.3 ppm in 1913 to the current CO2 level of 395.1 ppm in 2013, a 31% increase.

CO2 is also not the worst of the greenhouse gases. Water vapor, which can vary from as little as 10 ppm in cold climates to as much as 50,000 ppm in warm climates, traps infrared far more efficiently than CO2. Methane is another greenhouse gas that is far worse than CO2. Methane has also increased in the atmosphere from 0.7 ppm in 1913 to 1.745 ppm in 2013, or a 143% increase in the last century.

The reason AGW scammers are fixated on only CO2 is because all manufacturing plants, power generation plants, and every human endeavor involves producing CO2. Which is why they are so desperate to control every aspect of CO2 generation, including what you breathe. If they could get away with imposing a federal carbon tax on what you exhale I am absolutely certain they would.
Volcanoes are not important.

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Old 12-12-2013, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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It has absolutely everything to do with AGW. Which is why the subject is entirely partisan. The ONLY people that support AGW are those who view it as an opportunity to use it as a vehicle to tax and control the population. Ask yourself, who is pushing for "carbon taxes," who is pushing for more control over industry and people in general, who is locking up all our natural resources so we cannot produce energy? The answer is liberal freaks who desperately desire a fascist Marxist utopia.

Instead of adapting to climate changes these fascist Marxist liberal freaks want to pretend that we do not exist by "reducing our carbon footprint", and they are eager to tax people to death in order to accomplish that single objective. They could care less about climate change. To these liberal freaks global warming is only about an opportunity to impose more taxation and control. All you have to do is listen to them, it is the ONLY solution that they provide.
Oh, how I wish I could pretend you don't exist. The amusement we derive from your paranoid fears is more than outweighed by the damage you and other denialists cause by your poisoning of the public discourse.
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Old 12-12-2013, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Wait, on the favorite website of the "scientists" here there is a paper that claims that adjusting the temperatures upward for the 1991 eruption was valid because of the huge downward impact it had on the temps in the 90's. Now you've confused me. Volcanoes are important when they cool temps?
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Old 12-12-2013, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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Whoa whoa whoa, what does any of this have to do with anthropogenic climate change??
It works like this: they can't say "I'll believe whatever I want whatever you and your stupid facts say" so they invent weird motives that have to do with ideologies that scare them. It's called a straw man fallacy. It's also called right-wing garbage.
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Old 12-12-2013, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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We are currently growing barley, wheat, beets, potatoes, turnips, spinach, lettuce, cucumbers, collard greens, carrots, cabbage, and broccoli in interior Alaska. We also raise poultry, pigs, beef, sheep, and reindeer in Alaska for their meat. There are also several diary farms in Alaska.

As far as Alaska is concerned, Global Warming is a good thing.
Except when a time comes that places like Alaska are the only places to grow anything, then you might not be saying Global Warming is a good thing.
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Old 12-12-2013, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Wait, on the favorite website of the "scientists" here there is a paper that claims that adjusting the temperatures upward for the 1991 eruption was valid because of the huge downward impact it had on the temps in the 90's. Now you've confused me. Volcanoes are important when they cool temps?
Consider the source.

After the Pinatubo eruption global temperatures dropped by 2°F (1.1°C) in 1991 and 1°F (0.55°C) in 1992 due to the sulfur dioxide it spewed into the stratosphere. By the way, the Pinatubo eruption was the second largest volcanic eruption during the twentieth century. The largest was the 1912 Novarupta eruption.

There is nothing on this planet that can pollute the atmosphere above the troposphere more than volcanoes. All the pollution mankind creates stays primarily in the troposphere where it is washed out of the atmosphere in a matter of weeks. To have a global impact it must be in the stratosphere.
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Old 12-12-2013, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Except when a time comes that places like Alaska are the only places to grow anything, then you might not be saying Global Warming is a good thing.
The only time that has happened in the past is when most of Alaska was covered by ice. Even today very little of Alaska is considered arable land. 85% of Alaska is permafrost. We have currently developed less than 0.5% of Alaska (that includes all cities, towns, villages, roads, farms, etc.).

Gov. Parnell has spearheaded an initiative that would make Alaska self-sustaining, in regards to food. Personally, I do not see how that is possible, but I applaud his leadership. A good leader encourages difficult or challenging goals. It would also mean that we would have to import less food, which will lower our food prices, thus lowering the cost of living, and thereby improve our standard of living.

However, there is also a downside. Currently there are 13 government employees in the Division of Agriculture under the Alaska Department of Natural Resources for every farmer in Alaska. The only reason we can afford such extravagance is entirely due to the oil royalties we are collecting from the Trans-Alaska pipeline. Every Alaskan man, woman, and child is paying the equivalent of $17,000+ in State taxes annually. When those oil royalties end, so will Alaska's government.
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