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Well I pretty much secure in my knowledge about free markets, and by your rant that was so off-base of what I was intending, I'm not sure what discussion we might have.
The point was is the health care system based on insurance (and even without insurance) can never operate under true free market principles; it breaks numerous rules.
I certainly don't advocate health care as a third party payer system. So, not sure what point you're trying to make.
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EDIT: Just to show how crazy people have pushed the health care arguement in this country, look at this OP ED from GOP Senator Tom Coburn creating a plan in 2008 for then Presidential candidate John McCain (who I voted for btw): Competition Solves Health Care - The New York Sun
And? Why would that interest me? Because Coburn advocated it? Or because McCain advocated it? What possible merit is that?
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Notice this portion: "A market-based system that would unleash the power of innovation and competition in health care is within reach. A key reform would involve transferring health care tax benefits to individuals rather than employers. Mr. McCain's plan would do that by providing every American with a tax credit of $2,500 per individual ($5,000 per family) to buy their own insurance plan. Switzerland, hardly a bastion of conservatism, has used a similar individual-based model where costs are 50% less than in America with better outcomes."
Repeating a misleading bit of trivia does not make a compelling argument.
Gee, what does that sound like? And funny thing is, the GOP bastion of free-market health care is WAY more Government-controlled/regulated then the ACA.
When did we start equating the GOP with "Free Markets"? The GOP is only slightly less socialist than Democrats...
Sure. That's how our country is designed. It is meant to prevent centralized control over things, to allow states to be run as the citizens wish... and for those who find one state oppressive to be free to leave for another.
Sure. That's how our country is designed. It is meant to prevent centralized control over things, to allow states to be run as the citizens wish... and for those who find one state oppressive to be free to leave for another.
Too bad we cant confine people from rural Idaho and Montana into those areas and prohibit them form moving to Seattle and Portland looking for jobs. Wouldn't that be a conservative position to keep people from moving around, much like immigrants?
Too bad we cant confine people from rural Idaho and Montana into those areas and prohibit them form moving to Seattle and Portland looking for jobs. Wouldn't that be a conservative position to keep people from moving around, much like immigrants?
Why would it be?
BTW, I have lived in rural Montana and Oregon... and I would NEVER go looking for a job in Seattle. I gotta live 5 years in this hellhole of a Chicago suburb, and when we're done here... it's back to the rural life again.
Oh, and it was policies that were dreamed up by the insane in those urban hellholes that hurt Idaho and Montana's economies.
None of that addresses Singapore's health system and why the free market advocates support it.
Singapore works because the population is rather small and uniform compared to the USA. They are especially uniform politically, and long term this has been key. It would be like most voters in the USA being Democrats.
But Singapore also has huge central cost controls on the system. Especially with the majority of the hospitals. And you already mentioned the mandates.
The current GOP/TEA members, from what I have witnessed in the area I live in, want the "government out of their lives"! They don't want to pay taxes, don't want government involvement in healthcare (unless its something to do with Medicare), they want NOTHING from the government, they hate the govt....of course this all started around the election of 2008.
SO, in essence, no, it would not work because from what I read, the Singapore plan has government control over the prices (like we SHOULD have here IMO). Then again, I view healthcare as a human right and not a business to profit off of people's pain and suffering.
So, again, probably not doable with the anti-government GOP today....too much of a socialism element involved.
We still have very serious price controls here through Medicare. And as Medicare goes, so do the privates.
The current GOP/TEA members, from what I have witnessed in the area I live in, want the "government out of their lives"! They don't want to pay taxes, don't want government involvement in healthcare (unless its something to do with Medicare), they want NOTHING from the government, they hate the govt....of course this all started around the election of 2008.
SO, in essence, no, it would not work because from what I read, the Singapore plan has government control over the prices (like we SHOULD have here IMO). Then again, I view healthcare as a human right and not a business to profit off of people's pain and suffering.
So, again, probably not doable with the anti-government GOP today....too much of a socialism element involved.
So, basically, you know nothing about the TEA Party.
We still have very serious price controls here through Medicare. And as Medicare goes, so do the privates.
"price controls"?
Could that have something to do with the fact that fewer and fewer doctors are taking Medicare patients?
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