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Old 12-03-2013, 01:52 PM
 
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Old 12-03-2013, 01:55 PM
 
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This whole thing is psychological!
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Old 12-03-2013, 01:56 PM
 
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Of course. Why take responsibility when it can be blamed elsewhere?
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Old 12-03-2013, 01:58 PM
 
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Of course. Why take responsibility when it can be blamed elsewhere?
Is that only an antic of humans?

Some animals are gay, but I don't know of any, outside of humans, that play the blame shifting game.

Must be uniquely a human trait.

Most likely an acquired one.
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Old 12-03-2013, 01:59 PM
 
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Could it be bigfoot instead?

Both have zero evidence presented save a question...so how can we say it is bigfoot or victimhood instead?
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Old 12-03-2013, 02:00 PM
 
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Is that only an antic of humans?

Some animals are gay, but I don't know of any, outside humans, that play blame shifting.
Yes it is only an antic of humans and it is a learned trait passed on through generations.
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Old 12-03-2013, 02:05 PM
 
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I think Mr Sowell needs to actually support the premise of his argument. The ONLY thing lower-class whites in England and lower-class blacks in the United States have in common is victimhood??????? Um, no, there are lots of things they have in common.

Let's see, they have poverty in common. Sub-standard housing. Environments which are starved for opportunities.

They have parents who lack education and skills and whose lifestyles don't support the acquisition of education and skills.

Mr Sowell compares those in the lower-class with new immigrants, ignoring that new and legal immigrants don't necessarily find themselves impoverished, and the children's parents are often educated and skilled.

If Mr Sowell compared the lower classes with illegal immigrants, who similarly are impoverished and have the stressors of poverty to deal with, whose parents are more likely to be uneducated and unskilled, then Mr Sowell might be able to validate his arguments. But, alas, the statistics, the test scores of illegals, don't support his argument. And thus, he ignores the biggest weakness in his thesis.
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Old 12-03-2013, 02:08 PM
 
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I think Mr Sowell needs to actually support the premise of his argument. The ONLY thing lower-class whites in England and lower-class blacks in the United States have in common is victimhood??????? Um, no, there are lots of things they have in common.

Let's see, they have poverty in common. Sub-standard housing. Environments which are starved for opportunities.

They have parents who lack education and skills and whose lifestyles don't support the acquisition of education and skills.

Mr Sowell compares those in the lower-class with new immigrants, ignoring that new and legal immigrants don't necessarily find themselves impoverished, and the children's parents are often educated and skilled.

If Mr Sowell compared the lower classes with illegal immigrants, who similarly are impoverished and have the stressors of poverty to deal with, whose parents are more likely to be uneducated and unskilled, then Mr Sowell might be able to validate his arguments. But, alas, the statistics, the test scores of illegals, don't support his argument. And thus, he ignores the biggest weakness in his thesis.
Way to nail him, man!
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Old 12-03-2013, 02:20 PM
 
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I think Mr Sowell needs to actually support the premise of his argument. The ONLY thing lower-class whites in England and lower-class blacks in the United States have in common is victimhood??????? Um, no, there are lots of things they have in common.

Let's see, they have poverty in common. Sub-standard housing. Environments which are starved for opportunities.

They have parents who lack education and skills and whose lifestyles don't support the acquisition of education and skills.

Mr Sowell compares those in the lower-class with new immigrants, ignoring that new and legal immigrants don't necessarily find themselves impoverished, and the children's parents are often educated and skilled.

If Mr Sowell compared the lower classes with illegal immigrants, who similarly are impoverished and have the stressors of poverty to deal with, whose parents are more likely to be uneducated and unskilled, then Mr Sowell might be able to validate his arguments. But, alas, the statistics, the test scores of illegals, don't support his argument. And thus, he ignores the biggest weakness in his thesis.
The study was conducted "among those children who are all from families with incomes low enough to receive free meals at school" according to the author.
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Old 12-03-2013, 02:30 PM
 
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"We in America have gotten used to vast gaps between blacks and whites on test scores. But this was not always the case, in places where there was anything like comparable education.

Back in the 1940s, before the vast expansion of the welfare state and the ideology of victimhood used to justify it, there was no such gap on test scores between black schools in Harlem and white, working-class schools on New York’s Lower East Side."
interesting observation. yeah, i can definitely see 'victimhood' being a key factor here.
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