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Old 12-05-2013, 07:52 PM
 
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Come on now be honest.
I always am. You, on the other hand, are not.

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Why are you defending the republican party from this outrage?
Quote said defense. Link to my post.

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At least be honest and state the party was and still is in Wall Street's clutches,
No more and very likely less than the Democrats.

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because there is no arguing about it otherwise.
You're the one making the assertion, with nothing but ugly lies as your 'facts'.

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Quite transparent for all to see. Its so transparent it's ugly transparent.
Just a lie on your part.
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Old 12-05-2013, 07:54 PM
 
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So let's just pin the tail on your donkey.
What would you prefer?
Follow the law. If it needs changing, HAVE CONGRESS CHANGE IT.


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A. Extend the deadline for businesses to enroll to 2015 and have the system run smoothly for all concerned...
OR
B Stick to the deadline and have another clusterfu.... and have the whole thing collapse.
you left out the TRUE answer: Have congress change it. Republicans offered, you didn't want it.

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I would bet a dollar to a donut that the only reason you're whining about the small business extension is that you, personally want the entire ACA to fail miserably.
Which means..........
Arguing MY or anyone else's MOTIVES is a fools' errand. Another ad hominem meant to try to duck any real discussion.

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This should be noted that republicans after all their bluster and finger pointing just don't want people covered with adequate heath insurance. Which also means that those very same republicans must already have adequate heath insurance and could give a crap about the rest of the nation who doesn't.
Another flippin lie from you.

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That's putting the whole issue in proper perspective.
Nope, just your hateful rant without a shred of integrity.
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Old 12-05-2013, 07:55 PM
 
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Where are the republican, tea party lawsuits?
Which congressmen from the right are calling for his impeachment and what specific laws are they claiming he broke?
You got nothin but some quotes from the usual right wing radio bloviating gas bags.
Or is it just another frustrated rant from the Tea Party peanut gallery who just can't get over the fact that the president was re-elected and will enact progressive policies.
The lawsuits are proceeding. Perhaps you should inform yourself before making false assertions.
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Old 12-05-2013, 07:56 PM
 
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I disagree that the President is discredited or that he has no power. His poll numbers have dropped. If conservatives gain control of the Senate they still won't have to votes to impeach, but I'd love to see them gin up the crazy conspiracy rhetoric and attempt to do it.

President Obama has broken no laws, this is a conservative delusion. The old most people are takers, while they are makers delusion of conservatives that is a winning argument.
Of course he has.

Da Nile is a river in Egypt.
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Old 12-05-2013, 07:57 PM
 
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Well now to be fair the left says Bush broke the law as well and cause the crash of 2008.
They also said the Iraq war was illegal even though Congress approved our invasion of it.

Yet when pressed no one can cite exactly which law was broken.

Since both sides do this it's really a wash isn't it ?
It has been stated REPEATEDLY what has been broken. The video does too.
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Old 12-05-2013, 07:59 PM
 
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Those type of loans were NOT enabled by Fannie and Freddie. These loans needed to be misrepresented just to get Fannie and Freddie to buy them. They were sold to them under false pretenses. None of the proposals aimed at Fannie and Freddie would have stopped these loans. This was created by greed at the banks pure and simple.
I'm sorry... Are you unaware that F&F SERIOUSLY reduced both proof and credit standards over time, including delving into subprime?
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Old 12-05-2013, 08:02 PM
 
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He hasn't changed any laws.
He hasn't created any new laws.

Deferring is not changing a law.
Yes it is.

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Obamacare as passed didn't have those dates.
yes it did.

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Other agencies came up with those dates.
Some dates are up to agencies. The ones in question ARE NOT.

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By moving what agencies said is not breaking any Obamacare law.
Obamacare also allowed for waivers and exemptions.
Not the ones Obama's "gifted" to his political allies.

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The law itself delegated much to the Federal agencies.
Congress did this to themselves by delegating their power away.
Democrats, you mean. No Republican voted for it.
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Old 12-05-2013, 08:03 PM
 
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I am not advocating nor supporting what Obama did.
I haven't supported Obama ever.

What I am trying to get across is that he knows the law very well and knows what he can get away with.
Congress has done nothing to put him back in his place so to speak.

Congress said no to the Dream Act and he went and manipulated the law to appease the illegals until amnesty got passed.

Did he break the law ?
No. He's still going to deport them but not for 2 years.
He's not deferring everyone ..just a specific age group.
He specifically left out DL and SS cards for illegals..ON PURPOSE.
Said "It's up to the states".

He's as sly as a fox. He studied Constitutional Law.
He's able to go right up to that line yet not cross it.

Despicable and unethical and would have those that put the laws in place rolling in their grave.

But did he break the laws ?
No, no he didn't.

And you can bet that once the other side gets into office they will not only do the same but take it yet a bit further. Call it the "creep factor".

The question is how we end up…socialist, communist, ?
Congress keeps their low profile. They don't stand up. That's one check and balance that isn't happening.
Reid has the Senate secured and Pelosi has the House secured.
That's the way it is. As long as Obama stays on this side of the law Congress will do nothing.

Congress is who you should be mad at. The President gets away with whatever Congress lets him get away with.
Congress is divided, and Democrats will NEVER allow the president to be stopped from breaking the law.
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Old 12-05-2013, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Congress is divided, and Democrats will NEVER allow the president to be stopped from breaking the law.
What Law?
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Old 12-05-2013, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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I'm sorry... Are you unaware that F&F SERIOUSLY reduced both proof and credit standards over time, including delving into subprime?
I'm not saying they are blameless in the crash. Pretty much everyone was at fault. However, Fannie and Freddie did not create the stated loan programs. They did not create the no doc loan programs. They did not change those programs from being focused on self employed borrowers to simply lying about what someone actually made. They did create the negative amortization loans. They did not create or have anything to do with the surge of these loan programs from 2003 to 2007.
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