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Old 12-06-2013, 06:56 PM
 
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If only somehow YOU were in charge of deciding what would be done, then you could fulfill all your unicorn-dust socialist collectivist worker's paradise mental masturbation fantasies. You could be the patrón for all the poor downtrodden proletariat and ride around in a carriage scattering hundred dollar bills, confiscated from the evil, slave-driving bourgeoisie oppressors.
That's exactly what's going on in Venezuela at the moment. So far they've run out of toilet paper and electric power. Big success.

 
Old 12-06-2013, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Republic of Texas
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That's exactly what's going on in Venezuela at the moment. So far they've run out of toilet paper and electric power. Big success.
But even as the policies that the leftist perverts advocate cause misery and crumble the economies of these pissant south american banana republics right before their eyes they will still claim that it is the direction American needs to head in. Their socialist-collectivist model has been tried over and over and has failed everywhere it has been tried.

"They just weren't doing it right."

"Maybe you didn't get the memo. 1989 called to tell you the cold war is over now, jeez you RWNJ McCarthyite"

"Our dope smoking Marxist central planners will do better than their dope smoking Marxist central planners."
 
Old 12-06-2013, 07:01 PM
 
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Those aren't your profits. You don't get to decide what is done with them. They belong to the owners and/or shareholders to do with as they see fit.

You and the rest of the idealistic authoritarian command-economy advocates don't get to dictate what happens to profits, obscene or otherwise. Double from last year and skyrocketing while wages stay stagnant? It doesn't matter. You don't get to decide what happens with the profits.

Frustrating isn't it?

If only somehow YOU were in charge of deciding what would be done, then you could fulfill all your unicorn-dust socialist collectivist worker's paradise mental masturbation fantasies. You could be the patrón for all the poor downtrodden proletariat and ride around in a carriage scattering hundred dollar bills, confiscated from the evil, slave-driving bourgeoisie oppressors.

Too bad you can't do jack squat, except for froth up with sputtering impotent rage on a web forum about how the evil profiteering gluttons aren't being "fair" or "nice" and how much you don't like it.
Oh shucks you really got me there mister. I should learn better and go.....

I am sorry but that circular reasoning just doesn't affect me. The battle is with those profits and like I said before people are mobilizing to spread them. I told you from the start that that was what it was all about and now you're surprised?

Stagnant wages do matter and people as a workers will get to decide what gets done with them. I mean essentially all you're saying is that you're against a labor movement. Just keep it simple, you don't have to go all McCarthy on people.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 07:06 PM
 
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"Maybe you didn't get the memo. 1989 called to tell you the cold war is over now, jeez you RWNJ McCarthyite"
And there you go

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Stagnant wages do matter and people as a workers will get to decide what gets done with them. I mean essentially all you're saying is that you're against a labor movement. Just keep it simple, you don't have to go all McCarthy on people.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Katy, TX
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I'll let my favorite economist Joan Robinson explain:

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Oh this explains a lot too. The economist that based her theories from a communist country and supports socialism.

Btw, how is s. Korea doing compared to N. Korea Joan? Oh wait...
 
Old 12-06-2013, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Oh shucks you really got me there mister. I should learn better and go.....

I am sorry but that circular reasoning just doesn't affect me. The battle is with those profits and like I said before people are mobilizing to spread them. I told you from the start that that was what it was all about and now you're surprised?

Stagnant wages do matter and people as a workers will get to decide what gets done with them. I mean essentially all you're saying is that you're against a labor movement. Just keep it simple, you don't have to go all McCarthy on people.
So in your world workers decide what to do with the profits ?

Say you should move to Seattle. They just elected a new council woman who is right up your alley.
She's urging the Boeing workers to just take over the plant and run it themselves and produce mass transit buses instead of war machines.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 07:08 PM
 
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Stagnant wages do matter and people as a workers will get to decide what gets done with them. I mean essentially all you're saying is that you're against a labor movement. Just keep it simple, you don't have to go all McCarthy on people.
Unfortunately your labor movement leaves a trail of misery wherever it goes throughout history.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 07:13 PM
 
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Oh this explains a lot too. The economist that based her theories from a communist country and supports socialism.

Btw, how is s. Korea doing compared to N. Korea Joan? Oh wait...
"Joan Robinson made several trips to China, reporting her observations and analyses in China: An Economic Perspective (1958),
The Cultural Revolution in China (1969), in which she praised the Cultural Revolution".

It does explain a lot.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Republic of Texas
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Oh shucks you really got me there mister. I should learn better and go.....
Yes.

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I am sorry but that circular reasoning just doesn't affect me.
What is circular about the fact of reality that you don't get to dictate what is done with other people's or entity's profits?

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The battle is with those profits and like I said before people are mobilizing to spread them.
Battle? Mobilizing? Like as in a military force? Ooh goodie I love a good fight. Especially with gutless collectivist pissant wanna-be bolsheviks that think they can lay claim to my "obscene profits".

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I told you from the start that that was what it was all about and now you're surprised?
No I am not surprised. What gave you that idea? And you didn't tell me anything I haven't already read in Das Kapital.

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Stagnant wages do matter and people as a workers will get to decide what gets done with them.
No the worker's don't get to dictate what they earn, and apart from leaving their current job and taking a higher paying job they are otherwise IMPOTENT in that regard. Just as you don't get to dictate what is done with corporate profits and are IMPOTENT in that regard.

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I mean essentially all you're saying is that you're against a labor movement.
Unions have outlived their usefulness. I think we have repaid them 100 fold for their hard work in getting us the "40 hour work week, weekends, and better working conditions". Thanks, now we have it from here guys, go slink off into the dustbin of history where you belong.

We aren't living in a turn-of-the-20th-century meat packing plant from an Upton Sinclair novel. The Pinkertons aren't coming to get us. The factory dormitories have been shuttered, except in Communist China's foxconn factories where they make the Apple devices that probably litter your nightstand.

Bye unions, you worthless thugs, you have priced yourself out of the global labor commodity market and have caused the offshoring of millions of American jobs and the shuttering of thousands of American factories with your unreasonable demands. I'd say we're even now.

*Flush*

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Just keep it simple, you don't have to go all McCarthy on people.
If only we had a way to reanimate dead tissue, we could exhume Uncle Joe and have him hold a hearing to have the whole lot of you anti-American, seditious, neo-bolshevik provocateurs brought up on treason charges and deported to Cuba.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 07:22 PM
 
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Are you guys familiar with FA Hayek writing to thatcher to implement the same policies that the murderous Pinochet of chile enacted? He and Friedman were instrumental in that country's economic plan.

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