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I don't care being politically incorrect.
I'm tired of the massive massmedia coverage about the death of Mandela...
Not sad, he did nothing for the khoisan people.
No idea which was the power who raised him and turned him into a Saint to the eyes of the world, but he was no Saint at all.
The image sold by the massmedia prentended that he was a kind of political pacifist leader... but he was the leader of a paramilitar organization, the MK.... a organization involved in hundred of killings.
And he "won" the nobel prize... But you won't hear anything about this on the news.
Anyway I understand that he favoured the bantu people, his people, and did nothing for the whites, but there's no excuse for saint mandela, not helping to stop the khoisan genocide.
I'm not buying this.
I agree , it has ZERO to do with the USA, same can be said about Gandhi, Mother Theresa or others. They may have been important in their respective countries, but have nothing to do about the USA.
It's like expecting MLK, Lincoln, Washington or Susan B. Anthony to matter to Africa.
Mandela obviously means a lot to certain people especially those in South Africa. The whites as a group mistreated and abused the black population. I doubt that anyone can dispute that fact.
What is Mandela to the United States or someone who has absolutely no desire to go to South Africa?
To me nothing. He is just another person from another country. I love history and respect what Winston Churchill did, but at the end of the day he is really is just a point in history to me.
If you love history then you should give historical figures their due. No historical figure is perfect. Churchill gives us unwavering resolve in the face of evil. Mandela gives us that too (although not on the level of Churchill. As bad as the South African majority was, they were not Hitler by any means). But Mandela gives us something else. He gives us the power to forgive (after being released he forgave his captors and never sought revenge when he had the power to do so) But he also gives us something that is unique in our history, and that is a figure that embodies pure idealism. In the early 80's Mandela's captors wanted to release him. But he refused. And he said he would not leave prison until all of South Africa was free. He spent another decade in prison. After being released from prison he became President. He stayed in prison for a decade not just on principle. That is commendable enough. He stayed in prison because it was the only way to free the rest of South Africa.
That is why Mandela is important. And that is why everyone from President Obama to Ted Cruz have made comments praising Mandela. Whether Mandela was a communist or not is irrelevant. He probably was at one time but he adopted neo-liberal economic policies as President and opened the South Africa up to foreign investment, something a real communist would never do.
the whole media today jumps at every chance possible to dramatize things, to make you think they are at the helm of popular thought, and further increase ratings. People naturally want to know whats on every bodies mind. So the media create the illusion and the trigger and the notion that they are where its at. They will construct in order to achieve these cheif objectives $. They are now I don't kno if anyone is noticing using market idea's to create the illusion they are stars. The media is basically trying to become hollywood. Its a trick and a path, which the people are already prepped for, but the problem is the topic's they are using are not theatrical stories at all, they are stories about people and politicians who are supposed to go un-noticed, do there job so the people can focus on certainty and do their job. The media is selling uncertainty and using every market trick in the book to confuse and get more money and esp keep the eye off their connecting role. Everything goes through the media, everything ultimatly serves the media, the media is the confused queen in the hive.
I agree , it has ZERO to do with the USA, same can be said about Gandhi, Mother Theresa or others. They may have been important in their respective countries, but have nothing to do about the USA.
It's like expecting MLK, Lincoln, Washington or Susan B. Anthony to matter to Africa.
I disagree. It's about showing respect for a man who accomplished great things in the face. That isn't an American trait.
Anyone who spent 27 years in prison and came out the way he did is a saint in my eyes. There was no animosity, his goal was to help his country which he did.
Sorry natalie469, I tried to explain that in many post, but they were all censored.
He was in jail for a reason.Terrorism.
I explained there the atrocities of the MK, the paramiliatry organization, of which Mandela was the leader.
How winnie mandela endorsed the use of the death necklaces...
I even posted the vids where Mandela was singing "kill the boer".
But there's a big power behind the saintification of Mandela, the power of a small economical elite that now rules SA.
That's the reason too, why he "won" the peace nobel price, against all the rules of the Nobel organization.
Sorry natalie469, I tried to explain that in many post, but they were all censored.
He was in jail for a reason.Terrorism.
I explained there the atrocities of the MK, the paramiliatry organization, of which Mandela was the leader.
How winnie mandela endorsed the use of the death necklaces...
I even posted the vids where Mandela was singing "kill the boer".
But there's a big power behind the saintification of Mandela, the power of a small economical elite that now rules SA.
That's the reason too, why he "won" the peace nobel price, against all the rules of the Nobel organization.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. You can seldom overcome tyranny without violence.
The USA dealt with MLK as an alternative to "any means necessary".
Sorry natalie469, I tried to explain that in many post, but they were all censored.
He was in jail for a reason.Terrorism.
I explained there the atrocities of the MK, the paramiliatry organization, of which Mandela was the leader.
How winnie mandela endorsed the use of the death necklaces...
I even posted the vids where Mandela was singing "kill the boer".
But there's a big power behind the saintification of Mandela, the power of a small economical elite that now rules SA.
That's the reason too, why he "won" the peace nobel price, against all the rules of the Nobel organization.
Mandela was jailed because he refused to accept white supremacy/apartheid. He is a hero, however, the media wants people to believe that he was a pacifist when in fact, he was a freedom fighter against the brutal white system of oppression and tyranny.
I embrace the true legacy of Mandela. In the words of the great Malcolm X, "I will not love my enemy. I will fight for the dignity and respect of my people!"
Why the heck would any indigenous South African care about the afrikaner and/or boers, when they were responsible for the apartheid regime, which robbed the indigenous people of South Africa of all of their rights in their forefather's homeland. Your posts are silly at best, and truly ignorant at worst. You are asking for people to sympathize with brutal racists murderers; a thinking logical person would never do such a thing.
The whites who created and carried out Apartheid destroyed and killed millions of indigenous South Africans. If you want to know about true suffering and oppression read up on the apartheid system.
While one can admire Mohandas Gandhi’s nonviolent principles, one can hardly
point to the Indian experience as a demonstration of their usefulness in
overthrowing a colonial regime. Indeed, Gandhi’s concepts of satyagraha, or soul
power, and ahimsa, or nonviolent struggle, played an important role during the
Indian independence struggle, however the anti-colonial period in India was also
marked by extreme violence, both between the British and Indians and between
different Indian communal groups. Anti-colonial Indians committed a wide variety
of terrorist acts; the British government was responsible for numerous massacres
and other atrocities; and communal violence before, during and after
independence claimed the lives of millions of people. One simply cannot argue
that Indian independence was achieved in a nonviolent context.
You don't know your history or the major accomplishment of what Mandela did then. Mandela lead the way for reconciliation and called for there to be no racial violence in retribution for apartheid. He prevented a blood bath towards the white minority in South Africa.
Mandela was a Communist, but who could blame him? America and her allies had no interest in changing course in South Africa.
Mandela was the moral father of South Africa. I hope they can hold the country together without him. Mandela truly was an amazing man. The world will miss.
Last edited by texan2yankee; 12-08-2013 at 07:03 AM..
Mandela was jailed because he refused to accept white supremacy/apartheid. He is a hero, however, the media wants people to believe that he was a pacifist when in fact, he was a freedom fighter against the brutal white system of oppression and tyranny.
I embrace the true legacy of Mandela. In the words of the great Malcolm X, "I will not love my enemy. I will fight for the dignity and respect of my people!"
Why the heck would any indigenous South African care about the afrikaner and/or boers, when they were responsible for the apartheid regime, which robbed the indigenous people of South Africa of all of their rights in their forefather's homeland. Your posts are silly at best, and truly ignorant at worst. You are asking for people to sympathize with brutal racists murderers; a thinking logical person would never do such a thing.
The whites who created and carried out Apartheid destroyed and killed millions of indigenous South Africans. If you want to know about true suffering and oppression read up on the apartheid system.
You're wrong in your statment.
The black people (bantu) Mandela defended were not the indegenous population of SA.
In fact bantu people were as invaders as the europeans in SA.
The original inhabitants from SA were the San and Khoi populations, curiously more related with the whites (and Asians) who later invaded their land and massacred them.
I understand what Mandela did and it was a logical choice, he fought for their people, but he was by no means a freedom or antiracism pacifist fighter, as the main powers in this world prentend us to belive.
You should inform yourself better, since the end of apartheid thousands of innocents have been killed arguably because of race or etnichal reasons. Not only whites, because the majority of the victims are black people, specially zulu immigrants... but the worst part of it is for the San and khoi populations, killed, discriminated and recluded in camps, where they are slowly dying.
So If you want to know about true suffering and oppression read up on the actual post-apartheid system.
Last edited by kantabriansea; 12-08-2013 at 07:36 AM..
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