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Old 12-10-2013, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Those jobs require some level of education/training.
A HS diploma or GED doesn't cut it.

Only 33% of Americans 25-29 have a college degree.
Sure there are plenty entering college but they don't finish.

And that 33% is an increase over the years as well.
In this day and age not having a degree will leave many in dead end jobs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/13/ed...rees.html?_r=0
Good info, but you're missing the bigger point. There used to be a large base of quality manufacturing jobs in those country, where people without a college degree could work and make a decent living. Those days are over, and without any new industries to replace those career tracks, more and more will be forced to turn to retail, fast food, etc.

What's the first thing said to someone out of work?

"McDonald's/Walmart is hiring."
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Old 12-10-2013, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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I can't wait to see such technology deployed here! Plus voice synthesizers can speak better English than most McJob cashiers and your order will have a much better chance of being taken accurately. The kiosks will not call off, not threaten strikes and will not try to support multiple children on a fast food salary.

If they can automate preparation and delivery of the product, even better.

The question is whether the current White House regime will try to claim a job created for every kiosk installed.

McDonald's orders 7,000 touchscreen kiosks to replace cashiers - Neowin
If they had a union, the union would not allow touchscreens to replace jobs.
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Old 12-10-2013, 07:28 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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If they had a union, the union would not allow touchscreens to replace jobs.
Unions and Worker's rights are a thing of the past thanks to Republicans.
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Old 12-10-2013, 07:29 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Those issues resulting from automation, productivity, qualification and so on are the ones which made some economists come up with the idea of a base income without work in the first place. There are just too many people and too few jobs today, and that divergence is not only because of an acute economic crisis, it will remain and increase even during booms.
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Old 12-10-2013, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Good info, but you're missing the bigger point. There used to be a large base of quality manufacturing jobs in those country, where people without a college degree could work and make a decent living. Those days are over, and without any new industries to replace those career tracks, more and more will be forced to turn to retail, fast food, etc.

What's the first thing said to someone out of work?

"McDonald's/Walmart is hiring."
And they started getting off shored in the 60's..over 50 years ago.
This didn't happen overnight you know.

Third world countries are growing up.
They are industrializing and educating their people.
They can do what Americans do at much lower labor costs.

We turned from a producer nation to a consumer nation.
We are a consumer and service economy now.
Those are not high paying jobs.

While other countries see their standard of living rise we will see ours decline.
This will continue until they normalize.
Globalization, like it or not, is changing the face of the US worker.
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Old 12-10-2013, 07:32 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Unions and Worker's rights are a thing of the past thanks to Republicans.
Just have your union force the Company to do zero work at all and still get full pay.
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Old 12-10-2013, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Good info, but you're missing the bigger point. There used to be a large base of quality manufacturing jobs in those country, where people without a college degree could work and make a decent living. Those days are over, and without any new industries to replace those career tracks, more and more will be forced to turn to retail, fast food, etc.

What's the first thing said to someone out of work?

"McDonald's/Walmart is hiring."
There are still 12 million manufacturing jobs in the USA and the USA still manufactures more goods (value) than any other country.
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Old 12-10-2013, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Unions and Worker's rights are a thing of the past thanks to Republicans.
How did Republicans do that? What law made unions illegal?
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Old 12-10-2013, 11:44 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Default To Those carping for $15/hr hamburger flippers-a compromise

Since you all claim jobs will not decrease by extorting above Fair Market Value for unskilled workers, what if this were on the table on Capitol Hill? Would you support it?

An increase to $12/hour minimum wage over 5 years. That would be 95 cents per year, PLUS

For any worker who loses a job to robots or automation and has no more than a high school diploma, since you said rates and jobs cuts are unrelated:

They are allowed from the layoff,

No Unemployment Insurance
No Obamacare Insurance subsidies
No SNAP
No Welfare
No other funds related to low-income folks

After all, you said job losses would not result from higher wages.
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Old 12-10-2013, 12:38 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Is it your contention that all automation would come to a halt IF we leave wages as they are? Is that your contention?

Because we both know that is absolutely untrue.
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