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Old 12-18-2013, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Maybe when he does the photo-op with Moms at the White House today he'll tell them to drop under 26's from family coverage and give them Christmas Holiday $$$$$ for a policy of their own.
The WH is working with Moms to get them to urge their adult kids to be responsible for their Health needs --- the Repubs are working with Moms to get them to urge their adult kids to be irresponsible for their Health needs ..... Gee, I wonder which way the bulk of the Moms will go in that endeavor???
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Old 12-18-2013, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Blaming Obamacare on the Heritage Foundation instead of Obama and the Democrats is partisan political hackery.

Politically, Obama wants to avoid a bailout of insurers or at least keep the amount low. So, it matters a lot how the uninsured get insured or health care.
No one is blaming anyone and it is simply fact that the ACA is a reflection of policies developed by the Heritage Foundation. Democrats including Kennedy who should have known better bought into it before Obama came along. It was never Obama's plan, but to his discredit, he too signed on likely in the belief that it was all he was going to get. He let the objective of access to healthcare for all get in the way of reason in adopting an insurance company scheme. I think that Obama would jump (then and now) on universal health care funded by tax - Medicare for all - if he thought there was a snowball's chance in hell that it would be approved by Republicans in Congress.
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Old 12-18-2013, 01:08 PM
 
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It was never Obama's plan,
Yea, like everything else he "finding out what is in it" the same time we are. lol amazing.
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Old 12-18-2013, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Yea, like everything else he "finding out what is in it" the same time we are. lol amazing.
quoting out of context (of both Ponderosa and Pelosi)...dishonest
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Old 12-18-2013, 01:56 PM
 
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No one is blaming anyone and it is simply fact that the ACA is a reflection of policies developed by the Heritage Foundation. Democrats including Kennedy who should have known better bought into it before Obama came along. It was never Obama's plan, but to his discredit, he too signed on likely in the belief that it was all he was going to get. He let the objective of access to healthcare for all get in the way of reason in adopting an insurance company scheme. I think that Obama would jump (then and now) on universal health care funded by tax - Medicare for all - if he thought there was a snowball's chance in hell that it would be approved by Republicans in Congress.
Why would Obama need the approval of Republicans in Congress in 2010? This junk bill was passed 100% by the Democrats. He could have passed anything he could have gotten the Democrats to pass with him.
This mess is owned by Obama and the Democrats from top to bottom.

Washington Post said Republicans should run this ad in every district next year, just change out the Congressperson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=hYyMMs-WO4U
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Old 12-18-2013, 02:00 PM
 
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Old 12-18-2013, 02:04 PM
 
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Why would Obama need the approval of Republicans in Congress in 2010? This junk bill was passed 100% by the Democrats. He could have passed anything he could have gotten the Democrats to pass with him.
That's not political reality. You can't be that naive. The Dems are not monolithic - there are conservative and liberal ones. Dems take bribes and kickbacks from insurers just like Reps do. Dems depend on campaign donors (mostly wealthy) as well. The big money controls Dems just like they do Republicans and in 2010 the big money decided to acquiesce in the PPACA plan envisioned by the Heritage Foundation and "fine tuned" by the insurers and medical interests.
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Old 12-18-2013, 03:07 PM
 
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List of countries by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Go down the list which countries have "universal care" by population.

Not until you hit Germany do you finally get equitable care for most of the country. We all know "poor Indians and Chinese and Indonesians" are pretty much screwed if they get sick. Especially for Chinese in the rural areas.

Germany's health system while still cheaper than the USA ain't cheap to its citizens. Expect to pay about 8.5% of your income towards health taxes up to about 75k. After 75k you can opt for private insurance. Right now about 85% of Germans have public insurance vs 15% private.

Good luck telling the US citizens and residents. (50-60% of employer/private) plus another 15% are self employed/don't like their employer insurance get on individual market. And another 15% in medicare.

All those have access to private hospitals. Most of them that offer nice amenities like single room. And have them flip the switch and force them to county like hospitals or VA type of hospitals and clinics.
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Old 12-18-2013, 03:35 PM
 
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That's not political reality. You can't be that naive. The Dems are not monolithic - there are conservative and liberal ones. Dems take bribes and kickbacks from insurers just like Reps do. Dems depend on campaign donors (mostly wealthy) as well. The big money controls Dems just like they do Republicans and in 2010 the big money decided to acquiesce in the PPACA plan envisioned by the Heritage Foundation and "fine tuned" by the insurers and medical interests.

You said Obama would have jumped on another plan if Republicans in Congress would have agreed. Republicans had nothing to do with Obamacare. He only had to get the Democrats to agree. If you are upset about what was passed, contact Obama and the Democrats in Congress.
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Old 12-18-2013, 03:56 PM
 
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You said Obama would have jumped on another plan if Republicans in Congress would have agreed. Republicans had nothing to do with Obamacare. He only had to get the Democrats to agree. If you are upset about what was passed, contact Obama and the Democrats in Congress.
No, I said Obama would have jumped on universal tax-funded health care - Medicare for all - not just another plan. I am not upset about what passed. Disappointed, maybe. I think that it is a step in the right direction in that it recognizes that everyone has a right to health care in the US. The problem with it is that it does not achieve that except in the abstract. Health insurance, whether available or not, is still beyond the reach of many American families including most of them below 10 times the poverty level. Also, the employer mandate, IMO, simply makes an optional bad practice a required bad practice. Neither Dems nor Reps have the votes to do anything meaningful at this point and no compromise is possible until the influence of the teas wanes in an improving economy. So we are stuck with Ocare for three years and need to make the best of it. I believe that should she run, Hillary will win and has the political skills that Obama lacks and the health care bonafides to get us to the next level.
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