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Old 12-13-2013, 05:41 PM
 
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Much more in federal government services and benefits than they're paying for.
Yes. And.....?

Why is it such a problem for you that someone who isn't making enough money to live on anyway isn't being taxed on it?
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Old 12-13-2013, 07:28 PM
 
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Sounds like you are talking about the people getting filthy rich off the $85 billion a month in QE3
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Don't blow their minds with blatant facts.
yep, an obama administration that is pumping allll that money right into the bankers hands but hey, promise to throw Obama supporters a few bones and they'll just ignore $85 billion a month.
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Old 12-13-2013, 07:30 PM
 
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Yes the "rich" do pay a lot of taxes. They also get the most "loopholes" and "tax breaks". Remember when Warren Buffet said he paid less in taxes percentage wise than his own Secretary? How about Mitt Romney?
Cry me a river please.
Yet Warren Buffet is an expert in tax avoidance. Hypocrite!
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Old 12-13-2013, 08:40 PM
 
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Totally false.

I've already posted the actual IRS data. The average effective federal income tax rate for someone earning...

$1.6+ million is 22.84%
$370,000 up to $1.6 million is 23.39%
$100,000 is only 8.70%

IRS Federal Income Tax Data

Isn't income tax and capital gain taxes rates different?
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Old 12-13-2013, 10:42 PM
 
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So much for the left's "BS" accusation the well off aren't paying their fair share.

The rich do not pay the most taxes, they pay ALL the taxes
No, the rich do NOT Pay all the taxes
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Old 12-13-2013, 10:53 PM
 
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But the Fed is the one that funds the 83+ means tested programs.
States chip in some for their state residents but the bulk comes from the Fed.
Doesn't matter. The rich aren't the only ones who pay taxes
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Old 12-13-2013, 10:55 PM
 
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Much more in federal government services and benefits than they're paying for.

Cite, please. Prior to Obamacare, I can't think of any federal government benefits childless burger flippers working full time get. While they are theoretically eligible for Section 8, it's so hard to get on the waiting list, plus the waiting list is so long, it's unlikely a burger flipper actually has Section 8.
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Old 12-13-2013, 10:55 PM
 
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So you don't think the rich pay the other taxes? The rich, do pay the other taxes too. The "so called rich" who are also small business owners also match your payroll taxes.
Of course they pay those other taxes. Most of them anyway. Was there a point there?
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Old 12-13-2013, 11:08 PM
 
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Really? If that's so, why do they pay the highest effective tax rates? So high that they're paying TWICE their fair share?

Doesn't "effective tax rate" depend on what the definition of "income" is? (And I'm not sure whether the effective tax rates you cite are based on AGI or on taxable income or on something else.) People at the highest income levels often have considerable discretion in the way they structure and receive income, and in the timing thereof.
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Old 12-14-2013, 01:11 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Isn't income tax and capital gain taxes rates different?
Yes. Capital gains are unearned income and as such are included in the IRS's effective federal income tax rate data.
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