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Old 12-13-2013, 07:31 PM
 
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Old 12-13-2013, 07:49 PM
 
Location: mancos
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Get used to it.With Obama as president the murders of innocent civilians will continue for the next 3 years.It's like a video game to him with a body count. The man loves his drone video games.
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Old 12-13-2013, 08:11 PM
 
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I am the one NOT making it a partisan thing. The idea that Saddam was a bad guy and needed stopped stretched clear across BOTH parties and many politicians.

I posted the link to the statements from the D's and we have the actions of the R's that clearly show that to be the case.
Frankly, no, Saddam Hussein needed no more to be stopped than half a dozen other dictators. He was still useful as an anti-Iran foil, and the intelligence community was well aware that without Hussein, Iraq would fall into the same sectarian violence that had just overtaken Yugoslavia after Tito. I saw three different "Iraq after Saddam" analyses in the early 90s which accurately predicted it.

Even if Saddam needed to be stopped, telling the President, the Congress, and the American people a Big Lie to make it happen was still a criminal act.

The other part of the Big Lie was that victory in Iraq would be cheap and easy. Rumsfeld claimed it would take only 70,000 troops. Army Chief of Staff Shinseki openly disputed that, insisting that the standing plans required 250,000 troops--implying a war effort Rumsfeld knew would never be accepted by Congress and the public. Shinseki continued to dispute his own boss publicly until Rumsfeld fired him, also quite publicly, in case other generals didn't get the message.

But, of course, the war proved the Army knew how to plan an invasion and Shinseki had been right all along.

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Old 12-13-2013, 08:15 PM
 
Location: southern california
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headlines
drones kills school children
drones damage mosque
drones kill farmers
drones kill wedding party
al queda could not care a fig about these groups, they use them as human shields
when u see these headlines
it means we killed another al queda leader.
bin laden lived for 5 years 3 blocks from a military academy in pakistan, u think they did not know?
they ranted about the attack. the moral outrage of it all.
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Old 12-13-2013, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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I now have another excuse to use on my girlfriend as to why we shouldn't get married..
True. If President Obama is going to kill women and children at a wedding in Yemen, he could do the same in Texas.
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Old 12-13-2013, 09:23 PM
 
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Frankly, no, Saddam Hussein needed no more to be stopped than half a dozen other dictators.
Maybe so but we are not discussing our opinions but rather the opinions of politicians at the time.
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Old 12-13-2013, 09:24 PM
 
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True. If President Obama is going to kill women and children at a wedding in Yemen, he could do the same in Texas.
My Lord.

Poe's Law.

Please be Poe's Law.
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Old 12-13-2013, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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My Lord.

Poe's Law.

Please be Poe's Law.
Edgar Allan?
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Old 12-13-2013, 09:32 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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It was a series of mistakes by the oval office, the congress and four administrations. Saddam Hussein also holds some of the responsibility for his own demise. I'm not going to get into a complete history lesson here for you. I won't bore others with your education on the region and its history, but the information is out there if you care to look with something other than a closed mind. Be my guest.
Actually the following corporate think tank caused the Iraq war.
Project for the New American Century - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This think tank was also trying to get Bill Clinton to invade Iraq, by way of letters from Donald Rumsfeld.
A Failed Project For The New American Century?


This think tank is called "project for a new American century." 12 members of this think tank were members of the GW Bush White House, including Cheney and Rumsfeld. This think tank is made up of oil and military corporations. This think tank has being wanting to invade Iraq for many, many years before Sept 11. Before Sept 11 they used the excuse Saddam was a dictator, but in reality they wanted to invade Iraq (for all the things these corporations got because of the Iraq war, I will list these things later in this post.)

What Is The Project for the New American Century? | Witness Iraq



After Sept 11 happened Cheney and Rumsfeld created a new office in the CIA/FBI. They then looked through all the intelligence gathered about Iraq, and they presented intelligence (that was already investigated and found to be untrue) to the American people.

Office of Special Plans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Video: Cheney's Law | Watch FRONTLINE Online | PBS Video


The GW Bush administration made 935 untrue statements about Iraq prior to the Iraq war.
Study: Bush, aides made 935 false statements in run-up to war - CNN.com


Cheney a former Haliburton CEO gave the Halliburton corporation no-bid government contracts, and increased Haliburtons profits by 700%.
Halliburton Has a Friend in Dick Cheney: No Bid Contracts in Iraq and Getting Off the Hook on Asbestos - A BuzzFlash Reader Commentary
FOCUS | Cheney's Halliburton Made $39.5 Billion on Iraq War
Halliburton, Dick Cheney, and Wartime Spoils


The corporations that funded the "project for a new American century" are in Iraq making billions of dollars building military bases, moving supplies, controlling oil pipelines, building water wells, ex.ex.
Contractors Reap $138 Billion from Iraq War, Cheney’s Halliburton #1 with $39.5 Billion | LeakSource
Why the war in Iraq was fought for Big Oil - CNN.com
The 25 Most Vicious Iraq War Profiteers


These corporations have also made billions of dollars disappear.
How the US sent $12bn in cash to Iraq. And watched it vanish | World news | The Guardian
Missing Iraq Money As High As $18 Billion: Iraqi Parliament Speaker



The following documentary contains many high ranking US government/Military officials. Its where I first learned of the "project for the new American century."


The Oil Factor: Behind the War on Terror - YouTube




The Oil Factor: Behind the War on Terror | Watch Free Documentary Online

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Old 12-13-2013, 09:51 PM
 
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Maybe so but we are not discussing our opinions but rather the opinions of politicians at the time.
Which was based on false "intelligence" cooked by politicians with a separate agenda.
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